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| ▲ | jfengel 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Large numbers are not. But if you reran the 2024 election today you'd likely get the same result. Nothing has happened to change anyone's mind. They were very clear about their priorities, and those who voted for it accepted that. And would again. | | |
| ▲ | reactordev 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I know a lot of people who would change their votes due to what has happened to their businesses and farms. | | |
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| ▲ | metalman an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | it's telling that travelling "first class"
means more leg room , a wet towlett, and microwaved slop, but all in all is just bieng pushed through a big metal tube, like everybody else, and the important people are gone, as they travel private, bank private, go to private clubs, etc
Hard working generational busineses and farm familys are now explisetly, second class, and even having millions will only get you an airplane with propellors and not the required jet, with the rapidly changing and irrational policys making those smaller, hard won fortunes, precarious.
It's a situation where the "base" is waking up under threat from all sides and will start to make exceptionaly, pragmatic decsions. | | |
| ▲ | reactordev an hour ago | parent [-] | | Exactly. An Etsy shop and a CNC will only get you so far. The tariffs are killing businesses bottom lines and either they raise prices or close up shop. If they raise prices, they anger their customers. If they close shop, they anger their customers. My friends are furious that they are in this position. Then there’s a few local farmers who basically sold their land to housing and gone are 150 year old heritage sites. Replaced with a Ryan Homes banner for townhomes starting in the low $400k’s. It’s back to the point where only generational wealth will survive and the American dream of working hard to achieve it is gone unless you scam people with AI slop or fake accounting. The back and forth over what’s “true”. As if truth itself has no solid underlying footing in reasoning and science. No. It all doesn’t make sense because ReasonGPT is down… |
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| ▲ | heresie-dabord an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Nothing has happened to change anyone's mind. If "We the People" means anything anymore, the blatant, pervasive criminality, incompetence, and corruption of this ghoulish administration will be judged harshly in the midterm elections. But it would take significant change in the US to regain the international trust that the country formerly enjoyed among allies. It is hard to see the latter happening. | | |
| ▲ | jaybrendansmith 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This too, shall pass, but we need to make it happen. I am looking forward to the day when we spit on their remains, destroy their ballroom, torch his painting and turn this administration into a footnote in history that future historians will hold up as an object lesson. Let's hope it happens without too much bloodshed, but we fought too hard and for too long to watch this happen to this once great republic. |
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| ▲ | lapcat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > But if you reran the 2024 election today you'd likely get the same result. Nothing has happened to change anyone's mind. I don't think this is true. Trump's approval rating among independents has dropped 20%+. There's a reason he lost the 2020 election, but voters had 4 years to forget those reasons and look back with rose-colored glasses. Now they remember. > They were very clear about their priorities, and those who voted for it accepted that. I don't think this is true either. (I did not vote for Trump, to be clear.) Project 2025 were very clear about their priorities, but before the election Trump tried to pretend that he had no knowledge of or involvement with Project 2025. After the election, he changed his tune. | | |
| ▲ | m-hodges an hour ago | parent [-] | | > There's a reason he lost the 2020 election, but voters had 4 years to forget those reasons and look back with rose-colored glasses. So many people forget that Joe Biden did, in fact, defeat Donald Trump. | | |
| ▲ | lupire an hour ago | parent [-] | | And that covid happened and made everyone mad and kicked out the incumbents in every major election in the world. | | |
| ▲ | __s 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Trudeau got a lot of hate, but won next election. But your point stands, covid was turning point in Trudeau's popularity, Liberal's kept power between Trudeau stepping down more gracefully than Biden, Carney being a very centralist candidate (it's a compliment when your opposition is down to accusing you of stealing their policy ideas), & Trump's recent victory giving many the ick towards Poilievre |
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| ▲ | RickJWagner an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I believe you are right. There is a wall in place that causes people to believe things others don’t, and vice versa. To those seeing awful corruption here, Hunter Bidens $500k Ukrainian gas job was legitimate. They were not outraged by the emails describing a 10% cut for ‘the big guy’. Joe Biden joining business conference calls was fine. It seems like the end of the world, but it’s no worse than we’ve seen, historically. It’s always been there. | | |
| ▲ | felixgallo 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This is total 'both sides do it' nonsense. Doubtless Hunter Biden's job was a naked nepo quasi-bribery thing, and he said and did all sorts of ridiculous things. Dude is indefensible. But on one hand you have a president joining a conference call and not discussing business, and on the other hand you have a president literally demanding tribute, gold bars, a ballroom, firing all available oversight, blackmailing all of the universities to toe his ideological line, installing crypto and antivax scammers, and looting like it's going out of style, and meanwhile all of his kids are becoming millionaires trading openly off the name and the power. "Barron’s first major business move came in 2024, when he co-founded World Liberty Financial, a cryptocurrency venture launched with his father and older brothers. He is even credited inside the family with explaining basic crypto concepts to his father. After Trump won the presidency, the company exploded in value. Forbes estimates it added more than $1.5 billion to Trump family wealth—about 10% of which belongs to Barron." (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/net-wort...) | | |
| ▲ | jazzypants 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You're absolutely right, and it's frankly disgusting to see feckless traitors on this website pretending like Trump is somehow excusable in any way. |
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| ▲ | fuzzygroup 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No. While there has always been corruption, this is a different order of magnitude. | | |
| ▲ | ReptileMan 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As the old joke said -
We already figured out what kind of woman you are madam, we just haggle about the price. If someone is going to sell out the commons - isn't it better if they sell them out for a high price not a pittance. | | |
| ▲ | retsibsi 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The important difference is not the price, but the extent of the corruption. A politician whose public persona is clean, law-abiding, respectful of norms and institutions, and generally benevolent will be limited in how far they will go to abuse their power and sell out their country -- even if they are secretly very cynical and amoral. A politician who is openly corrupt, above the law, norm breaking, and vindictive will be free to do much more damage. | |
| ▲ | LunaSea an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is absolutely. A murderer is not the same as a person that committed genocide. A very silly argument you tried to pull there. | | |
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| ▲ | cjbgkagh 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The Netflix deal with Obama for $50M and book deals for $65M are a bit blatant. Certainly a $8B crypto rug pull is far worse by a few orders of magnitude. I think it’s weird that these are the new standards, I really hate presidential politics. Perhaps Jimmy Carter was the least damaging and he was forced to give up his family farm. One difference is that the few on the right that I know (I’m sure a biased sampling) think that what Trump did is wrong but those on the left seem to have forgotten all about Obama’s deals or worse they think that its kosher. | | |
| ▲ | encomiast 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe you can explain why the Netflix deal is corruption? The deal was signed after he was out of office (2018). Did he or people in his administration create policy that benefited Netflix in exchange for this deal? Was there any sort of quid pro quo? Where is the abuse of office? | | |
| ▲ | cjbgkagh an hour ago | parent [-] | | The ability for Netflix to operate as it does is entirely dependent on banks lending it vast sums of money, the same banks that staffed the Obama admin who continued the bailouts. Corruption doesn’t have to be a direct quid pro quo, that’s the standard needed for bribery, I did not suggest Obama was bribed. Because it’s in the interest of the corrupt to hide their practices the general way of avoiding it is to avoid the appearance of impropriety, and on that standard I believe Obama has failed. |
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| ▲ | technothrasher an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > he was forced to give up his family farm. I don't know where this narrative comes from. He wasn't forced to do any such thing. He voluntarily put his family peanut seed business into a blind trust when elected, with his personal lawyer as trustee. He subsequently only gave up the business once he took control again after his presidency, because it was in massive debt. | |
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| ▲ | encomiast 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You must see the difference between making money from books/speaking fees and using the full power of the US government to create policy that directly benefits your investments (possibly at the detriment to your competitor). | |
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