| ▲ | rayiner 2 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||
That's historical revisionism. The percentage of American adults over age 25 who have a college degree was only 20% as recently as 1990. When America was truly at the top of the world in the 1950s and 1960s, it was under 10%. A high fraction of college attendance is better correlated with the 21st century decline in America's situation. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | collinmcnulty 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
I think widening the aperture outside the USA shows how big societal progress has come out of universities of the type we now recognize, starting with 1800s Germany. Even within the USA, the technological and social progress that percolated on universities had big impacts beyond the people actually enrolled and were essential in providing the basis for the employment of many other Americans. Finally, it’s worth qualifying the idea of America’s decline. The USA is still THE powerhouse economy of the world. We have huge problems with unequal distribution and things are seriously politically messed up, but in terms of raw productivity, we are doing gangbusters. And solving the political and inequality issues call for a more educated populace, not less. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | danans an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
> The percentage of American adults over age 25 who have a college degree was only 20% as recently as 1990. When America was truly at the top of the world in the 1950s and 1960s, it was under 10%. Due to automation and the great advance of technology, the floor for most jobs has risen such that the skills/knowledge that a 1950s school dropout had would be insufficient for anything but the most menial jobs today. Outside of a few sectors like agricultural or physical service labor, our economy just doesn't need less educated people anymore. That doesn't mean everyone needs a 4 year degree, but to make a sustainable living at least a degree from a trade or service school focused on some advanced technician skill is required, and that must be followed by apprenticeship and licensing. In the end, it requires as much time as University, but might cost less if the education is at a public community college. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | nobodyandproud an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Correlation-only is sloppy analysis. The inheritors and descendants of those that directly created the problem are screaming at the colleges as the problem. But that’s ass backwards: Create the long-term financial opportunity and the college problem will disappear overnight. The correlation is because rational actors will follow the only leads available to make money, survive, and raise a family. Edit: I edited the tone, slightly. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | spankalee 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
> When America was truly at the top of the world in the 1950s and 1960s You mean when so much of the rest of the world was poorly educated either not very industrialized yet or had their industrial base destroyed by the war? Easy for the US to be "on top" then. But I much prefer the better educated America that came after that, even if wasn't as "at the top of the world" - though I'm really not sure who else you could be referring to that could be more on top. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | RVuRnvbM2e 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
The reason for US economic domination starting in the 50s is the fact that society and infrastructure in the rest of the developed world had been utterly devastated by the second World War. The rate of college education is utterly irrelevant. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | doctorpangloss an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
are you saying that your kids should not go to college? okay, now do you see why your statistic is meaningless, even if it is true? who answers “yes” to the first question? (hardly anyone). | |||||||||||||||||||||||