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nashashmi 2 hours ago

Total cost of ownership is 4 years x $15k-$25k (for a cheap public school) + missed income from working that same four years ($35k x 4 years). This is equal to $220k +/- $20k of lost money.

Now compare this to income differential. Starting grad income is $80k(?). At 4% raise per year compared to 3.5% raise per year for a non-college employee. Over 43 years.

My math comes out to the college grad is still making more money despite the initial sunk cost.

naet an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Anecdotally my wife came very close to finishing a 4 year degree but ultimately did not for various reasons (she comes from a very disadvantaged family...) and not having one has been a major burden or blocker for her pursuing all kinds of jobs. I am hoping to help her finish, but it is hard to restart later in life and lots of past credits will probably be lost or not count anymore due to various academic bureaucracy roadblocks.

AxiomaticSpace 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This assumes that every college grad is guaranteed a decent starting income. It seems that on average new grads are struggling more now than they used to to get jobs in their fields, especially higher paying jobs. And that perception is probably magnified by internet horror stories such as every 3rd post on r/cscareers.

nashashmi 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes this kind of math doesn’t make sense in places and industries where pay is not high and job prospects are difficult. Like liberal arts. Or third world countries.

And that is the point: do the math that assesses the incomes correctly and many people won’t see as college as sensible for those professions.

blitz_skull an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Assuming a grad income of $80k is an insane starting assumption. MAYBE you’re making that in software (good luck getting your foot in the door).

Any other industry? Biology? Social sciences? Academia? Manufacturing?

I struggle to think of anything other than finance that has a shot of STARTING at $80k. Hell I didn’t hit $80k in software industry until ~3 years in and I thought I was (I indeed WAS) very lucky.

alephnerd 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

Your numbers seem to be a couple years out of date, or maybe you're (no offense) living in a backwater like Florida where salaries are severely depressed due to the tourism effect.

The base salaries for Entry level SWE roles are in the $80k-100k range nationally [0].

Additionally, most finance roles start in that ranges, though high finance has starting salaries comparable to Big Tech new grad.

Even Biotech new grad salaries tend to be in the $60k-80k range.

Same with manufacturing engineering roles [1]

[0] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/levels/entry-leve...

[1] - https://www.salary.com/research/salary/alternate/entry-manuf...

givemeethekeys 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

> like Florida

If Florida is "backwater", then so is most of the rest of the country outside of a handful of overpriced cities where earning 80k is required to be able to afford a room in an apartment - not the whole apartment, and certainly not buying one.

alephnerd 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

I mean yea, they are - especially when looking at where new grad college educated jobs are located [0].

Heck, most states have fallen into a technical recession [1]. Florida is weird simply because of how much tourism and retirement adjacent industries skew it's economy (eg. Elderly care, primary care, etc) - in fact, healthcare services (as in elderly care, hospice care, and homecare) is the only non-skilled industry that is seeing a significant expansion in the US.

I personally along with HN, other VCs, and PE funds have been actively following the MSO space for a couple years now because of this boom,

[0] - https://www.axios.com/local/denver/2025/02/28/white-collar-w...

[1] - https://www.ft.com/content/e9be3e3f-2efe-42f7-b2d2-8ab3efea2...

rfrey 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure where your numbers come from. In my region job prospects are not much better for a liberal arts grad than a high school graduate, and much, much worse than someone with a trades education.

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