| ▲ | bgwalter 11 hours ago |
| It is notable that so many publications try to salvage "AI" ("need for new pedagogical approaches that integrate AI effectively") rather than ditch "AI" completely. The world worked perfectly before 2023, there is no need to outsource information retrieval or thinking. |
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| ▲ | Wowfunhappy 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The world worked perfectly before 1982, there is no need for the internet. (…I actually kind of think this. "Kind of" being the key word.) |
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| ▲ | awesome_dude 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | God no. Speaking as someone that communicates primarily through text (high likelihood of Autism) the internet was the first chance a lot of us had to ... speak.. and be heard | | |
| ▲ | bad_haircut72 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why couldn't you write letters instead of texting? | | | |
| ▲ | deadbabe 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That’s not a problem that generalizes to the broader population. We don’t really need internet. | | |
| ▲ | fn-mote 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I disagree. People have a need to be heard and understood. That’s half of what we are doing here posting. Many (“not disabled”) people don’t fit in with their local peer group / society. The internet gave them a way to connect with other like-minded individuals. Do I need to give examples? Let’s say: struggling with a rare disease. | | |
| ▲ | Wowfunhappy 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | But on the other end you have genocide triggered by Facebook. You can't speak if you're dead. Perhaps some of that violence would have happened anyway. I don't know how it all nets out. |
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| ▲ | danaris 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In other words "disabled people can suck it, because I don't care about their lives or experiences"? We often fall short, but as a society we do try to make sure we're accommodating disabled people when we make big changes in our systems. | | |
| ▲ | awesome_dude 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just FTR - I read them as being facetious | | |
| ▲ | danaris 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Poe's Law applies. There are far, far too many people who genuinely think disabled people should just disappear or die for it to be "safe" to be facetious about that without a clear sarcasm indicator. |
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| ▲ | awesome_dude 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Screw the broader population I can speak now dammit!!!!! |
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| ▲ | sukhdeepprashit 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I swear this place is like the I'm so special olympics now
might as well go to reddit | | |
| ▲ | manmal 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not much has changed, only people get diagnosed now. I think GP makes actually a good point that, with all its downsides, there are also net positive upsides to the internet. | | |
| ▲ | bad_haircut72 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | there are upsides but I dont know if its net upside. In this particular example, communicating by text - letter writing has existed for millenia and has arguably degraded considerably in this age of instant messaging |
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| ▲ | awesome_dude 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sorry, i know it's a bit "flavour of the month" but I mentioned it because I have a difficulty communicating face to face, which is common amongst a certain group of people, and I figured that mentioning it would help people understand my thinking. |
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| ▲ | srpinto 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ah yes, the perfect world we had when governments could get away with anything because the press was not enough to showcase their attrocities. A beautiful, perfect world, with rubella and a global population living in extreme poverty close to 50% (compared to today's 10%). I see this mentality almost exclusively in americans and/or anglo people in general, it's incredible... if you're not that, I guess you're just too young or completely isolated from reality and I wish you the best in the ongoing western collapse. (... I actually wish you're joking and I didn't catch it, though). | | |
| ▲ | daseiner1 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | last sentence in your first paragraph has nothing to do with the current state of the internet and certainly not AI. first sentence? turns out governments can still get away with pretty much anything and propaganda is easier than ever. | | |
| ▲ | pessimizer 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | > propaganda is easier than ever. It is so much harder now. There are people who are willfully ignorant now, almost proud to be; snooty about it. But it's impossible for governments and institutions to lie like they used to be able to. People are trading primary source documents online within the day. It's why the popularity of long-ruling institutional parties is dropping everywhere, and why the measures to stop people from communicating and to monitor what they're saying are becoming more and more draconian and desperate. | | |
| ▲ | daseiner1 an hour ago | parent [-] | | beyond irony that you pose as some tech optimist while also mentioning “western collapse” and then speak about a uniquely American pessimism, a nation that is presently under the thumb of a government that does not respect the rule of law and actively manipulates capital/big business. and you cannot simply hand-wave away the massive acceleration of the surveillance state and characterize it as a tool of the “institutional parties” |
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| ▲ | ako 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Where is this perfect world you’re speaking of? Surely not the one we’re living in… |
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| ▲ | mgraczyk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm a lot more productive than I was in 2023 and I've been coding full time since 2012 |
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| ▲ | rezz 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why stop there? We could do long division before the calculator and hand write before the typewriter. |
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| ▲ | maplethorpe 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I do wonder if the calculator would have been as successful if it regularly delivered wrong answers. | | |
| ▲ | ashu1461 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Google is successful and it's page rank algorithm also does not deliver correct results all the times. | | |
| ▲ | pessimizer 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | There's no such thing as a correct result to a search query. It certainly delivered exactly what was asked for, a grep of the web, sorted by number of incoming links. They also don't use it at all anymore, they barely even care about your search query. Google is successful, however, because they innovated once, and got enough money together as a result to buy Doubleclick. Combining their one innovation with the ad company they bought enabled them to buy other companies. |
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| ▲ | Bootvis 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It does if you’re a clumsy operator and those are not rare. | | |
| ▲ | pfortuny 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, but the machine itself is deterministic and logically sound. | | |
| ▲ | ramesh31 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Yes, but the machine itself is deterministic and logically sound. Because arithmetic itself, by definition, is. Human language is not. Which is why being able to talk to our computers in natural language (and have them understand us and talk back) now is nothing short of science fiction come true. |
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| ▲ | maplethorpe 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Even worse is if it's in the other room and your fingers can't reach the keys. It delivers no answers at all! | | |
| ▲ | Bootvis 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | My point is, needing to use something with care doesn't prevent it becoming from wildly successful. LLM's are wrong way more often but are also more versatile than a calculator. |
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| ▲ | analog31 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | My typerwriter delivered wrong answers. |
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| ▲ | walt_grata 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Did you learn how to do long division in schools? I did, and I wasn't allowed to use calculators on a test until I was in highschool and basic math wasn't what was being taught or evaluated. | | |
| ▲ | moregrist 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I also learned long division in school. I was allowed to use a calculator from middle school onward, when we were being tested on algebra and beyond and not arithmetic. Some schools have ridiculous policies. Some don’t. Ymmv. I don’t think that’s changed from when I was in school. |
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