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sph 17 hours ago

Brainwashing at a scale never seen before.

walthamstow 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's nowhere near social media scale yet.

marliechiller 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Id argue its already even greater. The amount of botting and astroturfing happening now means that a good chunk of the content people are consuming on those social media sites is generated by LLMs. Social media is the vector, but its the content thats the virus and OpenAI et al control what that virus contains

walthamstow 13 hours ago | parent [-]

That's a really good point. Even if social media is and remains the medium over chat assistant apps (likely imo), all the content everywhere will be AI slop.

insane_dreamer 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In many ways it's worse, because with social media you know -- or think you know -- the source, and you use that to judge accordingly how open you are to what you're reading or how much you trust its veracity, or what biases it might have. Whereas with LLMs most people inherently trust because the LLM is supposedly objective and unbiased.

grishka 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do remember that using LLMs is a choice. And unlike, say, social media, by not using any AI at all, you aren't missing out on anything.

everdrive 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>Do remember that using LLMs is a choice.

Not if nearly every company I attempt to interact with has their way. As other commenters have said, smart phones used to be a choice as well. Now people look at you funny if you won't install an app or don't have a data plan.

Thuggery 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Do remember that using LLMs is a choice.

That seems like a naive take on technology to me. Once having/using a smartphone was a simple matter of personal choice. Once, having a car was a choice. If society as a whole adapts to something it's hard to be against it.

ryandrake 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're not missing much of value by skipping out on social media, either.

sph 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I choose not to use any LLM, but technologies should still be judged on their potential for evil even if they are a choice.

And choice is a very loaded concept that does not take us anywhere: if the market is creating a world where LLM usage is central to a more productive future, or so they want us to believe, the choice quickly becomes between participating in the brainwashing and subtle advertising, or having a hard time finding a job that depends on LLM usage.

Ultimately, humans depend on habit and lowest friction. You cannot expect everyone to make a ‘virtuous’ choice and it is dishonest to even expect that. I dislike that many of my clothes are made my underpaid people in third-world countries, but at this point I don’t really have time and energy to choose not to unless I make that my life goal, as does the rest of the world.

This reminds me of the discussion about gun control by the way.