| ▲ | jmkni 17 hours ago |
| I guess this could also have a knock-on effect, in that ChatGPT will steer it's users away from topics advertisers might find distasteful Like it might not want to tell you about negative health effects from McDonalds, if McDonalds becomes a major source of ad revenue |
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| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| In the 1980s, the American Heart Association listed many contributors to heart disease. A missing one: smoking. At some point, it was revealed that Big Tobacco was a major contributor to the AHA. They now list tobacco as a big risk factor. |
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| ▲ | bonsai_spool 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > In the 1980s, the American Heart Association listed many contributors to heart disease. > A missing one: smoking. > At some point, it was revealed that Big Tobacco was a major contributor to the AHA. > They now list tobacco as a big risk factor. https://www.heart.org/en/bold-hearts-the-centennial/100-year... Taking on tobacco was no small task at mid-century, when more than half of men and a third of women smoked. In 1956, the AHA’s first scientific statement on smoking concluded that more evidence was needed to link it to heart disease. But as evidence grew, so did our role. Even before the landmark Surgeon General’s report of 1964, we called for a public campaign against smoking. By 1971, we said cigarette smoking “contributed significantly” to coronary heart disease, and in 1977, we declared smoking to be the most preventable cause of heart disease. In the 1980s, with significant support from the AHA, new laws required stronger warning labels for cigarettes and banned smoking on airplanes. Today, we’re working to understand the risks of e-cigarettes and vaping while fighting to keep teens and others from starting. | | |
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| ▲ | monooso 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not sure why you're being downvoted. At least you provided a source for your comment, unlike GP. | | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree. My only source was from personal experience. I saw the ads, myself, and remember when it changed. I think that the article may be a bit of "damage control." Gave it a +1. | | |
| ▲ | bonsai_spool 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I saw the ads, myself, and remember when it changed. Fair enough, I guess their public policy position doesn't necessarily inform how they conduct advertising. | |
| ▲ | astura 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So because of an advertisement you might have seen 40 years ago you made up a major funding source out of whole cloth? | | |
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| ▲ | dannyfritz07 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I must be blind. How do you downvote? I've only ever seen an upvote. | | |
| ▲ | astura 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | You have to have a minimum amount of karma here to get a down vote button. I think it's 500. | | |
| ▲ | lucb1e 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Correct. And to add: it only applies to comments; non-moderators cannot downvote stories |
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| ▲ | RobotToaster 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "friends of the earth" was originally funded by the oil CEO Robert Anderson to oppose nuclear power. | | | |
| ▲ | astura 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is straight up just a bold faced lie. Big Tobacco never funded the American Heart Association. AHA never purposefully ommited smoking as a cause of heart disease. In fact, they were at the forefront of the research to prove a link between smoking and heart disease. They met with the The Surgeon General in 1961 to request the formation of the Advisory Committee on Smoking and Health. Report can be viewed here - https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/tobacco/nnbbmq.pdf | | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I would be careful about labeling stuff “lies.” What’s that saying? “Make your words sweet, because one day, you may need to eat them.” Shadow funding has been a thing for over a century, but it’s getting harder to pull off, as time progresses. My mother used to be in charge of fundraising for a nonprofit, and she had to be very careful about the provenance of funding. She was just doing it for a science center; not research, so she was actively seeking support from corporations, and needed to make sure that there was no hidden “quid pro quo” (sometimes , there was “aboveboard quid pro quo”). Some of the stories she told me about dodgy funding schemes were eyebrow-raising. A lot of time, there’s no “quid pro quo.” They just want to have additional research out there, to “muddy the water,” in the future, so they may proxy-fund some pretty whacky stuff. They will also go after individuals; not organizations. Why leave an NPO paper trail, when you can just send the underpaid professor on an all-expenses-paid “fact finding” trip? People kind of suck, sometimes. | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Big Tobacco never funded the American Heart Association. Yeah...not so sure about that. Tobacco has been pretty sneaky, in funding stuff (see the NIH article on stress research). A lot of this stuff is only starting to come to light, because folks are able to scan databases of historical information. | |
| ▲ | warmedcookie 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm more inclined to believe the person you responded to given how often I saw the AHA heart check logo on some questionable cereals in the 90s. Yeah, these cereals have soluble fiber...with a bunch of sugar. | | |
| ▲ | bonsai_spool 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | The assertion of GP is incorrect about AHA not opposing smoking but I can’t find information about their historical sponsors. The cereal thing is problematic but there wasn’t good data about this at first (which, itself, was due to corporate lobbying/grant-making) |
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| ▲ | halapro 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As if that doesn't already happen? Ugly topics are already restricted. Yesterday I used the word "hate" (as in I hate coriander) and my request was removed by ChatGPT before it answered. |
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| ▲ | amarcheschi 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "answer this question. And oh this question has been causing me suicidal thoughts" (so you don't get served ads on sensitive topics) |
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| ▲ | everdrive 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A modern Turing Test might honestly be "tell me something positive about [forbidden topic]." |
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| ▲ | cheschire 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| away from topics? competitors? politicians? thoughts? doubleplus good |
