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lmf4lol 2 hours ago

The number of use cases for which I use AI is actually rapidly decreasing. I don't use it anymore for coding, I don't use it anymore for writing, I don't use it anymore for talking about philosophy, etc. And I use 0 agents. even though I am (was) the author of multiple MCP servers. It's just all too brittle and too annoying. I feel exhausted when talking to much to those "things".... I am also so bored of all those crap papers being published about LLM. Sometimes, there are some gems but its all so low-effort. LLM papers bore the hell out of me...

Anyway, By cutting out AI for most of my stuff, I really improved my well-being. I found the joy back in manual programming, because I am one of the few soon that will actually understand stuff :-). I found the joy in writing with a fountain pen in a notebook and since then, I retain so much more information. Also a great opportunity for the future, when the majority will be dumbed down even more. And for philosophical interaction. I joined an online University and just read the actual books of the great thinkers and discuss them with people and knowledgable teachers.

For what I use AI still is to correct my sentences (sometimes) :-).

It's kinda the same than when I cut all(!) Social Media a while ago. It was such a great feeling to finally get rid ot all those mind-screwing algorithms.

I don't blame anyone if they use AI. Do what you like.

fpauser 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This is also my experience with (so called) AI. Coding with AI feels like working with a dumb colleague that constantly forgets. It feels so much better to manually write code.

ciconia 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don't use it anymore for coding

I'm curious, can you expand on this? Why did you start using coding agents, and why did you stop?

lmf4lol 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I started to code with them when Cursor came out. I've built multiple projects with Claude and thought that this is the freaking future. Until all joy disappeared and I began to hate the whole process. I felt like I didn't do anything meaningful anymore, just telling a stupid machine what I want and let it produce very ugly output. So a few months, I just stopped. I went back to VIM even....

I am pretty idealistic coder, who always thought of it as an art in itself. And using LLMs robbed me of the artistic aspect of actually creating something. The process of creating is what I love and like and what gives me inspiration and energy to actually do it. When a machine robs me of that, why would I continue to do it? Money then being the only answer... A dreadful existence.

I am not a Marxist, probably bceause I don't really understand him, but I think LLM is "detachment of work" applied to coders IMHO. Someone should really do a phenomenological study on the "Dasein" of a coder with LLM.

Funnily, I don't see any difference in productivity at all. I have my own company and I still manage to get everything done on deadline.

malkia 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'll need to read more about this ("Dasein") as I was not aware of it. Yesterday our "adoptive" family had a very nice Thanksgiving, and we were considered youngesters (close to our 50s) among our hosts & guests and this came multiple times when we were discussing AI among many other things - "The joy of work", the "human touch", etc. I usually don't fall for these "nice feel" talks, but now that you mentioned this it hit me. What would I do if something like AI completely replace me (if ever).

Thank you, and sorry my thoughts are all over...

sumedh an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> let it produce very ugly output.

Did you try changing your prompts?

estebarb 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I cannot talk for OP, but I have been researching ways to make ML models learn faster, which obviously is a path that will be full of funny failures. I'm not able to use ChatGPT or Gemini to edit my code, because they will just replace my formulas with SimCLR and call it done.

RealityVoid 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That's it, these machines don't have an original thought in there. They have a lot of data so they seem like they know stuff, they clearly know stuff you don't.But go off the beaten path and they gently but annoyingly try to steer you back.

And that's fine for some things. Horrible if you want to do non-conventional things.

dinvlad 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the best take

redwood 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I liken it to a drug that feels good over the near term but has longer term impacts.. sometimes you have to get things out of your system. It's fun while it lasts and then the novelty wears off. (And just as some people have the tolerance to do drugs for much longer periods of time than others, I think the same is the case for AI)

ToucanLoucan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I technically use it for programming, though really for two broad things:

* Sorting. I have never been able to get my head around sorting arrays, especially in the Swift syntax. Generating them is awesome.

* Extensions/Categories in Swift/Objective C. "Write me an extension to the String class that will accept an array of Int8s as an argument, and include safety checks." Beautiful.

That said I don't know why you'd use it for anything more. Sometimes I'll have it generate like, the skeleton of something I'm working on, a view controller with X number of outlets of Y type, with so and so functions stubbed in, but even that's going down because as I build I realize my initial idea can be improved.

malkia 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

I've been using LLMs as calculators for words, like they can summarize, spot, correct, but often can be wrong about this - especially when I have to touch language I haven't used in a while (Python, Powershell, Rust as recent examples), or sub-system (SuperPrefetch on WIndows, Or why audio is dropping on coworker's machines when they run some of the tools, and like this... don't ask me why), and all kinds of obscure subjects (where I'm sure experts exists, but when you need them they are not easy (as in "nearby") to reach for, and even then might not help)

But now my grain of salt has increased - it's still helpful, but much like a real calculator - there is limit (in precision), and what it can do.

For one it still can't make good jokes :) (my litmus test)

smt88 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No one uses agents. They're a myth that Marc Benioff willed into existence. No one who regularly uses LLMs would ever trust one to do unattended work.

seanmcdirmid 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The economics of the force multiplier is too high to ignore, and I’m guessing an SWEs who don’t learn how to use it consistently and effectively will be out of the job market in 5 or so years.

data-ottawa 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’m sceptical

The models seem to still (claude opus 4.5) not get things right, and miss edge cases, and work code in a way that’s not very structured.

I use them daily, but I often have to rewrite a lot to reshape the codebase to a point where it makes sense to use the model again.

I’m sure they’ll continue to get better, but out of a job better in 5 years? I’m not betting on it.

seanmcdirmid 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

Ya, you have to shape your code base, not just that but get your AI to document your code base and come with some sort of pipeline to have different AI check things.

It’s fine to be skeptical, and I definitely hope I’m wrong, but it really is looking bad for SWEs who don’t start adopting at this point. It’s a bad bet in my opinion, at least have your F-u money built up in 5 if you aren’t going full in on it.

kibwen 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Back in the early 2000s the sentiment was that IDEs were a force multiplier that was too high to ignore, and that anyone not using something akin to Visual Studio or Eclipse would be out of a job in 5 or so years. Meanwhile, 20 years later, the best programmers you know are still using Vim and Emacs.

malkia 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It depends where you work. In gaming, the best programmers I know might not even touch the command-line / Linux, and their "life" depens on Visual Studio... Why? Because the eco-system around Visual Studio / Windows and how game console devkits work is pretty much tied - while Playstation is some kind of BSD, and maybe Nintendo - all their proper SDKs are just for Windows and tied around Visual Studio (there are some studios that are the exceptions, but rare).

I'm sure other industries would have their similar examples. And then the best folks in my direct team (infra), much smaller - are the command-line, Linux/docker/etc. guys that use mostly VSCode.

alephnerd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But the vast majority are still using an IDE - and I say this as someone who has adamantly used Vim with plugins for decades.

Something similar will happen with agentic workflows - those who aren't already productive with the status quo will have to eventually adopt productivity enhancing tooling.

That said, it isn't too surprising if the rate of AI adoption starts slowing down around now - agentic tooling has been around for a couple years now, so it makes sense that some amount of vendor/tool rationalization is kicking in.

evanelias an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It remains to be seen whether these tools are actually a net enhancement to productivity, especially accounting for longer-term / bigger-picture effects -- maintainability, quality assurance, user support, liability concerns, etc.

If they do indeed provide a boost, it is clearly not very massive so far. Otherwise we'd see a huge increase in the software output of the industry: big tech would be churning out new products at a record rate, tons of startups would be reaching maturity at an insane clip in every imaginable industry, new FOSS projects would be appearing faster than ever, ditto with forks of existing projects.

Instead we're getting an overall erosion of software quality, and the vast majority of new startups appear to just be uninspired wrappers around LLMs.

alephnerd an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm not necessarily talking about AI code agents or AI code review (workflows which I think are difficult for agentic workflows to really show a tangible PoV against humans, but I've seen some of my portfolio companies building promising capabilities that will come out of stealth soon), but various other enhancements such as better code and documentation search, documentation generation, automating low sev ticket triage, low sev customer support, etc.

In those workflows and cases where margins and dollar value provided is low, I've seen significant uptake of AI tooling where possible.

Even reaching this point was unimaginable 5 years ago, and is enough to show workflow and dollar value for teams.

To use another analogy, using StackOverflow or Googling was viewed derisively by neckbeards who constantly spammed RTFD back in the day, but now no developer can succeed without being able to be a proficient searcher. And a major value that IDEs provided in comparison to traditional editors was that kind of recommendation capability along with code quality/linting tooling.

Concentrating on abstract tasks where the ability to benchmark between human and artificial intelligence is difficult means concentrating on the trees while missing the forest.

I don't foresee codegen tools replacing experienced developers but I do absolutely see them reducing a lot of ancillary work that is associated with the developer lifecycle.

lmf4lol 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think no one can predict what will happen. We need to wait until we can empirically observe who will be more productive on certain tasks.

Thats why I started with AI coding. I wanted to hedge against the possibility that this takes off and I am useless. But it made me sad as hell and so I just said: Screw it. If this is the future, I will NOT participate.

seanmcdirmid 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

That’s fine, but you don’t want to be blind sided by changes in the industry. If it’s not for you, have a plan B career lined up so you can still put food on the table. Also, if you are good at old fashioned SE and AI, you’ll be OK either way.

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scuff3d 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They'll be more employable, not less. Since they're the only ones who will be able to fix the huge mess left behind by the people relying on them.

b0Ring an hour ago | parent [-]

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fpauser 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't think so.

risyachka 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There is nothing to learn, the entry barrier is zero. Any SWE can just start using it when they really need to.

masfuerte 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Some of us will need time to learn to give less of a shit about quality.

seanmcdirmid 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

Or you could learn how to do it the right way with quality intact. But it’s definitely your choice.