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8cvor6j844qw_d6 4 hours ago

Based on this interview, it seems Lobsters community there is pretty interesting for the tech crowd? Perhaps one should take a look there.

Unfortunately, Lobsters (previously?) blocked Brave browser and I don't feel like switching browsers just to visit a site.

kenhwang 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Lobsters feels a lot like the HN of a decade ago, when the community was more technical than business, and the topics were technical instead of tech business culture.

hitekker an hour ago | parent [-]

HN was originally called "Startup News". It was founded by tech business people and originally its userbase was largely startup tech people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_News

I've been here 12 years and I don't remember HN focusing solely on technical topics, unless the word "technical" has widened to mean "anything one engineer finds intellectually stimulating".

kenhwang 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It was never only technical, but at least it felt like the discussion was from people who build, which naturally segued into technical discussion. It felt like the majority back then were tinkerers and builders.

Nowadays it feels more like sales, marketing, management, and investor interests, and topics they find interesting which has far more popularity than anything at the implementation level. Granted, it matches what matters these days to launch a successful company.

keiferski 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I have the same impression. If anything, it’s become more “generic technical” topics and less “insider founder” ones. There seems to be a lot more institutional representation here than circa 2010-2015, probably because many of the new founders then are now running establishment companies.

chao- 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The differences are well summarized on their /about page. I find both HN and Lobsters valuable for different reasons, but and the differences that stand out to me are:

- Tries to be more purely technical. Generic political or business links are flagged or removed.

- Aggressive marketing/self-promotion is moderated: If you join, post three links to your own blog, and nothing else, expect someone to call out if you post a fourth. I know HN does this to some extent, but it is very explicit on Lobsters.

- Not "news", not necessarily about recent things. Project/language releases even have a "release" tag so you can hide them systematically. A ten-year-old article explaining some library internals is just as likely to come up.

- Instead of "downvotes" there are "flags", which requires choosing a reason. Ideally encourages people to pause and think, instead of scrolling and clicking a down arrow 20 times in a thread.

- Weekly community threads of "What are you working on this week?" and "What are you doing this weekend?" which is nice for a smaller community.

Karrot_Kream 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Unfortunately Lobsters might claim to be non political but is actually quite political. Because the moderators and increasingly the remaining community identifies with American progressive left values, a pretty common thing to see on the site is political posts along those lines getting upvoted and other political philosophies being flagged as political.

It's probably the most deeply unpleasant part about the site IMO. I don't think there's anything wrong with moderators all sharing certain politics. On Lobsters though, there's this hugely disingenuous gaslighting culture where the political ingroup can break rules while the outgroup can't but it's never explicitly acknowledged by the moderators or the community.

karlgkk 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They do not claim to be non political. They just try to keep explicitly political material from being posted on their site - from any point of view.

> there's this hugely disingenuous gaslighting culture

Fun fact: that’s called “they don’t want you around”. You’re being vibe checked out. Running communities is difficult and sometimes it’s just easier to build a community of people you want to be around. They’ve never been running it as a public service or a free speech platform. And that’s okay.

Aurornis an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Fun fact: that’s called “they don’t want you around”. You’re being vibe checked out.

This mindset where the culture war lines have been drawn and anyone who doesn’t get perfectly in line is “vibe checked” out is highly political, even if the claim is that political content is excluded.

The snarky and derisive way it’s presented as “fun fact” and you’ve jumped to the conclusion that the commenter is on the wrong side of the culture war, and therefore a fair target for derision, is actually why I never “vibed” into that site for very long.

Karrot_Kream an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They just try to keep explicitly political material from being posted on their site - from any point of view.

Right that is what they claim in their guidelines but in practice this is very untrue. American left progressive material generally does fine on the site, both from the rule moderation perspective and community sentiment.

> Fun fact: that’s called “they don’t want you around”. You’re being vibe checked out.

It's funny, in your attempt to sarcastically sneer in your comment you just tried to build a strawman of my political opinions in your head.

Regardless the easiest way for them to settle this would to say it explicitly. "We strongly believe in left social justice values and that informs our moderation and the content we allow on the site." That's all the guidelines would need to make it clear to everyone what's going on. Instead they do this gaslighting dance where they never explicitly say their political position but instead enforce it by enforcing the rules more harshly on those they politically disagree with. They could instead point to this guideline to moderate or flag content they politically disagree with. It's upfront and clear.

The Internet as it is is subject to a huge amount of context collapse. Moreover tech people are more likely than the average person to have lower EQ. Using unrelated moderation rules to fight political battles is a fairly negative thing in my opinion. Being clear about what you allow and disallow does everyone a service and level sets expectations.

avadodin 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

There are some very smart people on that site that only contribute there(although some are old slashdotters from back in the day) so it is a shame.

I get the impression by watching the community that interacting with them is basically impossible as a normal person.

Someone gets an invite, has productive technical discussions, eventually says something that doesn't align exactly with their religion(and we're talking really obscure stuff here) and he gets swiftly and permanently banned possibly bringing the person who invited him down with him as well.

mannanj 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Fun fact: telling the guy saying it's gaslighting that it's not, with your reframe of reality words like "fun fact" are gaslighting.

I've found gaslight-positive people who go on "vibes" are indeed still gaslighters. Abuse is abuse. You can justify it with "vibe check" and "they don't want you around" all you want - does my not wanting you around and treating you poorly make it any less undignified and abusive?

wahnfrieden 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They are also aggressively anti-AI

edit: If you are downvoting because you are also anti-AI, my comment is not about whether supporting AI is good. I'm only remarking that they are aggressively negative about the topic. The aggression is obnoxious and less tolerated with other topics.

kaycebasques 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The proposal to rename the vibecoding tag to something else provides a pretty good sense of the overall sentiment among the site's members: https://lobste.rs/s/gkzmfy/let_s_rename_vibecoding_tag_llms

Aurornis an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

HN comment sections are full of anti-AI remarks, but there’s enough volume of contents that you can still find some quality info here.

On Lobsters it feels like the angry anti-LLM mindset is woven into the site’s culture, like you’re breaking some unspoken rule if you accidentally say something non-derogatory about AI.

IncreasePosts 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My main gripe with lobsters vs hn is that lobsters has a lot of specific in the weeds tech articles, like about some functionality of a specific python library. It's way too specific, I find the mix of articles on hn much better from a generalist perspective

internetter 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Conversely, hn gets a lot of content which simply isn't intellectually stimulating. Like on the front page atm is pocketbase—a git repo which currently has 53k stars which I've known of for many years, and a surface level article on RAG titled 'So you wanna build a local RAG?' ~~which seems to mostly just exist so the author can plug their company in the first line.~~ which doesn't really contribute much niche knowledge you can't obtain anywhere else. As a blogger myself I can't claim superiority—I've done this plenty, but this content just doesn't seem to do as well on lobste.rs as compared to really niche content which is directly relevant to very few people, but as a result required a great deal of research and time and very possibly is of great utility to a rare few.

Edit: though to be clear this is a spectrum with heavy overlap. Just general biases I've observed. Like on Lobste.rs there is an article titled 'Electron vs. Tauri' atm.

Karrot_Kream an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Personally I enjoy that content a lot. My guess is that HN is read by tech interested people these days not just programmers. The risk of being more generalist is losing your distinguishing lens. If I wanted generic news with a techie take there's sites like Ars and The Verge that already do this. If HN becomes those sites it's only a losing game.

rgreekguy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you are interested in Rust, there is a lot of that posted there. Politically they have similar views to HN.

I almost forgot why I stopped visiting, they had some open conversations with Hector... erm Asahi Lina (just Lina now?) the other day...

schmuckonwheels 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've heard it's like HN, but with Reddit-style drama and psychotic moderation.

Sounds lovely.

JuniperMesos 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of good contributors to Lobsters have been banned for poltical reasons. Lobsters (laudably) has a moderation log that shows the reasons for user bans among other moderator decisions, but typically when when a good contributor is banned for poltical reasons (as opposed to e.g. a spammer), the actual posts that made the moderators decide to ban have been removed and replaced with a moderator message pithily asserting that the post was offensive; so it's hard for someone to see exactly what the last straw posts were and decide how reasonable the moderator was being.

And the moderators and most of the remaining userbase of Lobsters are American political left-progressives, and this dramatically informs how they choose to moderate.

_se 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you really not see the irony in posting this comment? Have you no self-awareness whatsoever?

Peak HN, absolutely hilarious!

fishmicrowaver 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The hottest discussion on the first page is how big of a meanie Andrew Kelley is. Yeah the sites a vibe for sure.

kaycebasques 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a strong, active community. Much more focused on computing. I'm happy to invite anyone who wants to join. You can find a way to contact me on https://technicalwriting.dev. Please also link me to your website, LinkedIn, etc.

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