| ▲ | hn_throw2025 4 hours ago |
| Identical in every respect other than those with the power to initiate legislation are completely immune to voter displeasure. The Commission have no direct link to the electorate and the your country's (sorry, “state”) Council representatives can hide behind collective consensus. |
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| ▲ | arlort 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > the power to initiate legislation are completely immune to voter displeasure Completely immune is overstating it, and the power to initiate legislation is not that meaningful given that the EC initiates what the council tells it to initiate and can't actually turn it into law without parliament and council |
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| ▲ | surgical_fire 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Identical in every respect other than those with the power to initiate legislation are completely immune to voter displeasure. You are aware that those with power to initiate legislation are appointed by national governments right? If you are unhappy with how your country posed itself in those propositions, you can and should vote for parties that have different stances. |
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| ▲ | lenkite 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How do the people kick out a EU representative ? Without the power to do so, it is not a "democracy". | | |
| ▲ | surgical_fire 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There are elections for the EU parliament. As for council or commission, I presume you can elect different national governments from time to time? I mean, unless you are in Hungary. |
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| ▲ | hn_throw2025 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your link to the Commission and Council is homeopathic democracy, right? In the UK with a Parliamentary democracy, unpopular policy ideas can be abandoned. Manifestos are not always adhered to, but they typically include ideas that their canvassers can sell on the doorstep and there is robust media criticism when they abandon their promises. We have a strong history of U turns because our politicians are wary of unpopularity. The most recent big backlash was the Winter Fuel Allowance cut which was proposed by the two parties (with the Treasury pushing for it behind the scenes) and abandoned by both due to deep unpopularity in the Country. Even the budget this week had a run-up where various fiscal changes were unofficially floated through the media, to see which ones had the smallest backlash. This is completely different to the EU, where the Commission and Council arguably get what they want even if it takes several attempts. | | |
| ▲ | gpderetta 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Interesting you say that, after the UK already passed the equivalent of Chat Control with cross party support, without the law being part of the mandate of either party. | |
| ▲ | surgical_fire 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | You speak as if the Commission and Council are somehow divorced from ne national governments of the member states. Those are not Lovecraftian entities that came from undersea. Their members are appointed from the national governments. If you dislike how your country position itself on those organs, this should change your view on how the ruling parties in your country took decisions at the EU level. |
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