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exasperaited 4 hours ago

> In 2029 it's likely we'll have a more libertarian government

Haha you're so funny.

If Reform get from, what is it right now, five -- or four, or six, depending on how the wind blows — MPs to 326 MPs, which is enough to secure the majority they think they are getting, then libertarian is not what that government will be.

It will be populist, white and significantly authoritarian, because pure tabloid authoritarian thuggery is the only possible strategy that could cause a swing larger than any in history, against two parties (labour and liberal democrat) who currently hold 472 seats and represent a sort of centrist blob between them.

And this is to say nothing of the challenge they will face finding 326 non-crazy, credible candidates for 326 very different parliamentary elections. And to say nothing of the foreign influence scandal that currently engulfs senior Reform figures or the catastrophic issues already affecting Reform councils like Kent. Do you think Reform could succeed without Farage? And do you think Farage's reputation is going to somehow be improved by the Nathan Gill situation?

I accept they will be the largest minority. But the parliamentary maths to get to an outright majority is really extreme; the system does not support such things easily.

Maybe they will get to largest minority and then campaign for PR/AV/STV, and maybe finally people will understand something like it is needed. But Farage will be a lot older in that election.

(It surprises me to see people who are so keen to believe that a council election wave is necessarily predictive of a national election wave because, what, somehow everything is different now? Why is it different?)

nunobrito 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You are in Europe and whites are native to this continent, which belongs to them.

Please go be jewish somewhere else.

cbeach 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> libertarian is not what that government will be

How can you be so sure? Why do you assume that everything that the Reform chairman, Zia Yusuf (head of policy) is lies? What, from his history, suggests that he is a liar?

> catastrophic issues already affecting Reform councils like Kent.

A small number of councillors left, but KCC is still a strong Reform majority. Councillors come and go throughout the year (just look at the constant stream of council by-elections), so to call Kent a "catastrophe" is hyperbole.

> It will be populist, white and significantly authoritarian

Populist yes. But I've never understood why popular polices get such a bad rep in a supposed democracy?

White? So what? Although it's rapidly changing thanks to Tory/Labour policies, the UK remains a majority white country. Why is politicians' skin colour an issue in your mind?

"Significantly authoritarian" how? Can you name an "authoritarian" policy in Reform's last manifesto?

> Do you think Reform could succeed without Farage?

Yes. Zia Yusuf is an extraordinary man, and my money would be on him becoming the leader when Farage inevitably steps down. And your concerns about white politicians will hopefully be soothed when a second-generation Sri Lankan is our Reform prime minister.

https://www.youtube.com/@ZiaYusufOfficial

> the parliamentary maths to get to an outright majority is really extreme; the system does not support such things easily.

For that to happen, you need a strong i.e. 30%+ share, and you need numerous opposing parties with similar policies, and all polling at similar levels. That's EXACTLY what's happening, and the electoral calculus puts Reform on a strong majority (low = 325, high = 426)

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/...

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

citrin_ru 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> But I've never understood why popular polices get such a bad rep in a supposed democracy?

Because they are extremely short shortsighted and a wreck in a long term.

cbeach 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

The classic populist political policy was the creation of the NHS in 1948.

Would you say that was "extremely short shortsighted and a wreck in a long term."?

exasperaited 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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