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tordrt 5 hours ago

Theres not going to be built any more interconnectors from Norway anytime soon.

Electricity became a lot more expensive in Norway after building several interconnectors to UK and mainland Europe. Importing high prices from the failed energy politics of UK and Germany which both have among the most expensive electricity in the world.

This has been a huge debate, and the general concensus seems to be that joining ACER and building inrerconnectors to mainland Europe was a big mistake.

kragen 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Does that mean Norway is making a huge amount of money exporting electricity over those interconnections?

yxhuvud 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes. But that is money the consumers don't see.

teiferer 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

About 90% of Norway's 40 GW energy production (mostly hydro) is state owned. By exporting energy and thereby getting other countries to pay, the money literally goes to the norwegian people. Not directly into their bank accounts, but into their govt budgets, which they later pay less in taxes.

varjag an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Norwegian power generation is sized for the domestic market, so tax income from selling excess is marginal at best. The power bills however have indeed crept quite a way up. This was especially noticeable in the first winter of the Russian invasion, when the Nordics had to subsidize the bill that suddenly dropped on short-sighted German energy policy.

bear141 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do they actually pay less in taxes because of this? I’m not arguing. That is great and I would appreciate if you could provide a source for me to read.

varjag an hour ago | parent [-]

We do not but there's a social consensus about the value people get from this taxation level. However the excess power price which is not a domestic supply/demand outcome is a lot harder to sell.

TeMPOraL 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Right, but people tend to be oblivious to anything that's not on their bank accounts.

theodorton 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are government subsidies for consumers to either have a fixed price or a price cap on electricity in Norway as a political response to the increase. This would be harder to pull off if not most of the profits from export didn’t land in the public sector (either taxes or government owned energy companies).

kragen 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Norway has experience circumventing the resource curse/Dutch disease with undersea oil. Hopefully they'll manage it this time too.

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parineum 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That seems counterintuitive to me.

Electricity prices don't go up because you have access to expensive power, it goes up because you don't have enough cheap power so you have to buy the expensive power.

It seems like Norway just wouldn't have power if they weren't connected to other sources, not that they'd have more cheap power.

jltsiren 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Electricity prices go up when you have access to customers who are willing to pay more. If grid connections to other regions are limited, people in regions with a lot of cheap generation (such as Norway) pay low prices. But if you add grid connections without increasing generation capacity, prices start equalizing between regions, as every power company tries to sell to the highest bidder.

Norway could power itself fully with domestic hydro. But it chose not to, as the power companies make more money by importing foreign power when it's cheap and exporting hydro when it's not.

seanmcdirmid 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Washington state has the same problem to a lesser degree. California pays more for cheap Washington hydro, which causes the costs to go up for us, although I guess not as drastic as Norway since our electricity is still considered cheap.

yxhuvud 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Norway still have cheap electricity in the grand scheme. It is just more expensive than it used to be.

fulafel 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It seems like Norway just wouldn't have power if they weren't connected to other sources, not that they'd have more cheap power.

This is not the case as Norway and neighbouring Sweden have plentiful hydro. It's especially valuable as it can be regulated to complement wind/solar fluctuations, essentially replacing storage.

sgc 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Obviously the presumably large amount of money spent to interconnect could have been spent adding local production and storage. It would be a waste of money if there was a reasonable path to local energy independence that was neglected.

vidarh 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

A significant proportion of Norway's domestic energy production is hydro, which comes with it's own "built in" storage up to the capacity of the dams, so Norway already has a very significant storage capacity.

Estimates suggests a storage capacity of 87TWh of storage in hydro reservoirs, compared to production capacity in recent years between 146 and 157 TWh, and a theoretical production capacity of ~309TWh (I don't know the basis for that - I'd imagine peak production at all the plants, but I doubt that could ever happen in reality, so the 146-157TWh based on real production are better...)

Compare that to Norwegian electricity consumption of 124 TWh in 2020.

Of course, since so much of Norways total electricity production is hydro, large storage is necessary, as the hydro supply is highly seasonal, based on e.g. things like the amount of melting snow in the mountains in spring.

Hamuko an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s basic supply and demand. And by linking to other grids, you increase demand since there’s now more customers for your supply. What they have (comparatively) less is supply since the supply in those markets is shite in comparison to what Sweden and Norway have for their local demand.

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