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mertbio 2 hours ago

Germany doesn’t compete in cheap manufacturing, they compete in highly precise manufacturing. There are bunch of things that are only manufactured in Germany. You don’t hear those companies that much because they are not public but they are well known by the people who work in specific industries. When you combine them, they are way bigger than the German companies you hear everyday which are laying off people or closing factories.

For some reason, every time Europe is mentioned, there is always a comment about how Europe is struggling but when you look at the quality of life, happiness or life expectancy, all those numbers are higher than the US. People should stop obsessing with GDP.

fransje26 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> There are bunch of things that are only manufactured in Germany. You don’t hear those companies that much because they are not public but they are well known by the people who work in specific industries.

There is small town of 35,000 inhabitants around the corner from where I live. It produces 50% of the world's surgical equipment, from a base of around 600 companies.

There are good reasons why "made in Germany" is not as dead as some people want us to believe.

jiggawatts 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

A common talking point is that the number of people working in engineering is decreasing over time. The implication is that "we are making less", but the real story is that "we are making things more efficiently".

A case in point is agriculture in Australia, where a crop farm might be as big as a thousand acres, whereas its common in SEA for a family to have just one or two acres. The huge scale is enabled by multi-million dollar tractors, drones, huge irrigation systems, etc...

German manufacturing is the same.

bryanlarsen 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

Google says that the average farm size in Australia is 10,000 acres. I didn't think they were significantly smaller than the farms in Saskatchewan Canada which average 2,000 acres.

noobermin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

certain people want the rest of the world to become like china and india, top down sweatshops so they can squeeze just a little more dollar out of people

constantcrying 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I know many of these companies and I have even been invited to some of them.

I am not some American desperate to insult Europeans. I am a German, I work in the German industry, my livelihood depends on this economy.

>When you combine them, they are way bigger than the German companies you hear everyday which are laying off people or closing factories.

This plainly is not true. Even the "small champions" are struggling, because they are mostly suppliers to the large companies. A very significant part of the "Mittelstand" exists as specialized suppliers to the German car, Aerospace and Railway companies. If those are struggling, then the suppliers feel the pain just as much.

locallost 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

I am not German, but I live in Germany and things can be debated in detail and from various viewpoints. Things are rarely black and white.

But I am getting kind of tired of the canned half informed opinions like "outrageous energy prices" usually although not always followed by "closing cheap nuclear will do that for you". Energy like natural gas is still elevated compared to 2021 but it's nowhere near outrageous anymore. Electricity as an end consumer I can now get cheaper than in e.g. France, and they just announced dirt cheap industry prices etc. So things can be complex, what was the case in 2023 might not be in 2025. Things change but it takes too much effort to question if what was true two years ago is still really true, so we are stuck with these lazy views.

AlexandrB 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

GDP is a leading indicator. You can't fund European-style transit and social services forever if there's less money coming in.

mk89 an hour ago | parent [-]

Which is why is not a good indicator...

Government overspending, for example, increases the GDP.

gruez 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

No, GDP is a necessary but not sufficient condition for lavish government services. Yes, there are ways to juice GDP figures without actually having a functioning economy that can support lavish government services, but if your GDP is flat or declining, there's no way you'll be able to continue affording lavish government services.

trueismywork an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Even those companies are struggling nowadays with quality of goods made in China improving extremely fast.

> For some reason, every time Europe is mentioned, there is always a comment about how Europe is struggling but when you look at the quality of life, happiness or life expectancy, all those numbers are higher than the US.

But quality of life in Europe is decreasing fast. Pension is becoming unsustainable. Govts are going bankrupt. Infrastructure is collapsing. People correctly see that Europe as a whole will fall behind in some years unless things change

amarcheschi 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Govts are going bankrupt

No they aren't

Infrastructure is collapsing

No it isn't

gruez 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

>Govts are going bankrupt

>No they aren't

They might not be "going bankrupt" in the sense that they're imminently going to default on their debts, but debts have reached unprecedented levels[1], and show no signs of stopping. If you know someone who's racking up serious amounts of debt on sports gambling or whatever, it's safe to characterize that as "going bankrupt", even if you think they'll be able to make the minimum payments on their credit cards for the next few months.

[1] https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20251018_SRC..., https://www.economist.com/special-report/2025/10/13/across-t...

croes 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

And millionaires and billionaires become more and more.

The problem isn’t money but the distribution.

Volkswagen payed 4.5 billion in dividends in 2024

gruez 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

>Volkswagen payed 4.5 billion in dividends in 2024

How does that compare to Germany's deficit? Or their impending pension obligations?