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m4rtink 4 hours ago

So when the bubble pops the companies making the shovels (TSMC, NVIDIA) might still have the money they got for their products and some of the ex-AI companies might least be able to sell standard compliant GPUs on the wider market.

And Google will end up with lots of useless super specialized custom hardware.

skybrian 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It seems unlikely that large matrix multipliers will become useless. If nothing else, Google uses AI extensively internally. It already did in ways that weren’t user-visible long before the current AI boom. Also, they can still put AI overviews on search pages regardless of what the stock market does. They’re not as bad as they used to be, and I expect they’ll improve.

Even if TPU’s weren’t all that useful, they still own the data centers and can upgrade equipment, or not. They paid for the hardware out of their large pile of cash, so it’s not debt overhang.

Another issue is loss of revenue. Google cloud revenue is currently 15% of their total, so still not that much. The stock market is counting on it continuing to increase, though.

If the stock market crashes, Google’s stock price will go down too, and that could be a very good time to buy, much like it was in 2008. There’s been a spectacular increase since then, the best investment I ever made. (Repeating that is unlikely, though.)

timmg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> And Google will end up with lots of useless super specialized custom hardware.

If it gets to the point where this hardware is useless (I doubt it), yes Google will have it sitting there. But it will have cost Google less to build that hardware than any of the companies who built on Nvidia.

UncleOxidant 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Right, and the inevitable bubble pop will just slow things down for a few years - it's not like those TPUs will suddenly be useless, Google will still have them deployed, it's just that instead of upgrading to a newer TPU they'll stay with the older ones longer. It seems like Google will experience much less repercussions when the bubble pops compared to Nvidia, OpenAI, Anthropic, Oracle etc. as they're largely staying out of the money circles between those companies.

immibis 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

aka Google will have less of a pile of money than Nvidia will

kolbe 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Alphabet is the most profitable company in the world. For all the criticisms you can throw at Google, lacking a pile of money isn't one of them.

nutjob2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How could Google's custom hardware become useless? They've used it for their business for years now and will do so for years into the future. It's not like their hardware is LLM specific. Google cannot lose with their vast infrastructure.

Meanwhile OpenAI et al dumping GPUs while everyone else is doing the same will get pennies on the dollar. It's exactly the opposite to what you describe.

I hope that comes to pass, because I'll be ready to scoop up cheap GPUs and servers.

qcnguy 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

Same way cloud hardware always risks becoming useless. The newer hardware is so much better you can't afford to not upgrade, e.g. an algorithmic improvement that can be run on CUDA devices but not on existing TPUs, which changes the economics of AI.

acoustics 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think people are confusing the bubble popping with AI being over. When the dot-com bubble popped, it's not like internet infrastructure immediately became useless and worthless.

iamtheworstdev 3 hours ago | parent [-]

that's actually not all that true... a lot of fiber that had been laid went dark, or was never lit, and was hoarded by telecoms in an intentional supply constrained market in order to drive up the usage cost of what was lit.

pksebben an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If it was hoarded by anyone, then by definition not useless OR worthless. Also, you are currently on the internet if you're reading this, so the point kinda stands.

ithkuil 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you saying that the internet business didn't grow a lot after the bubble popped?

bryanlarsen 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And then they sold it to Google who lit it up.