| ▲ | mmaunder 7 hours ago |
| They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached from the badness because Cisco provides infrastructure for nearly every major weapons manufacturer and defense department globally. |
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| ▲ | pyrale an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| > There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this You are the one summoning that spiral by making a cheap gotcha wrt codeberg using Paypal. The project apparently could and did move because the swith from github to codeberg wasn't that big of an impact, and because, while the new forge is not perfect, they feel the association is less severe. There is no "purity spiral" in that, just a pragmatic choice factoring in ethics. |
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| ▲ | BiteCode_dev 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Levels of indirection matter. |
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| ▲ | picafrost 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's a weird take-away from the post, where the only time ICE is mentioned is > Putting aside GitHub’s relationship with ICE, and the rest of the article provides technical reasons. |
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| ▲ | aadishv 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I feel like that's the whole point of the OP. I agree with the overall post but mentioning the ICE relationship seems to detract from the main point. "I hate GitHub because X Y and Z features are bad" is a good reason to move away; "I hate GitHub because one of their thousands of enterprise customers does not align with my political views" is not, in my opinion. For the record, I do not support ICE | | |
| ▲ | MildlySerious an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | People protesting ICE do not do so out of political concern, but humanitarian concern. This seems like a minor nitpick as those two are intimately tangled up, but it matters to make the distinction. Standing up for others is not petty or self-serving and that's exactly what this sort of conflation can falsely imply. | |
| ▲ | jenadine 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's why the article put that reason aside | | |
| ▲ | zdragnar 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It could have done an even better job of putting it aside by not even mentioning it at all. Instead we're all sitting here talking about it instead of the technical reasons. |
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| ▲ | __loam 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It seems like every organization in America is compromised in some way if you dig deep enough. Certainly you can find reasons for every big tech. There's still a balance to be struck though. |
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| ▲ | CoastalCoder 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > It seems like every organization in America is compromised in some way if you dig deep enough. I agree, and my view is that it goes much further. Quoting author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: "The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either—but right through every human heart—and through all human hearts.". | |
| ▲ | kruffalon 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If by dig you mean lazily sweep the front door while listening to dance music, then yes, I agree with you :) | | |
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| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | BiteCode_dev 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Levels of indirections matter. |
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| ▲ | sandmank 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| when the shit finally starts flying there is no better place to be than low down, in a dark corner, with clean hands, looking nothing like a pig |
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| ▲ | sapphicsnail 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You're mad because they left a vendor because they switched to a different vendor that you think is just as bad but also you're accusing them of starting an "inevitable purity spiral?" Which one is it? |
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| ▲ | otikik 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It didn't seem to me that the person you answered to was "mad". Are you "mad" because of what they wrote? | |
| ▲ | wilg 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not in conflict. They are pointing out that in this case their stated goal was not achieved so it's pointless. | | |
| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It wasn't their stated goal, if you read linked article. The commenter got it wrong. | | |
| ▲ | wilg 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Enlighten me, they specifically mention ICE as a reason they wanted to switch from GitHub? | | |
| ▲ | input_sh 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | They mention it in passing before continuing with technical issues. They don't state it as the only reason as you imply, but as something that contributed to their decision. |
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