So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers.

After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability" and we should accept it.

Honestly speaking I like how big projects are exploring new hosting options. But there is no need to attack other platforms like this to promote your new host.

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silisili 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Anyone who has ever used Gitlab, or dare my foul mouth say Jenkins, has experienced a better system than Github actions.

Unless it's miraculously improved recently as it's been a couple years for me, they didn't even document their regex/pattern matching. Best I could find via searching was that it was whatever Ruby used, which wasn't any kind of real standard.

I don't want to call anyone names, but whoever defends said system deserves some ribbing.

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nromiun 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I dare anyone who is delusional enough to think they can create something better to actually make something better. All those people who are calling Github devs monkeys can't even put 10 free servers on the internet, because they will go bankrupt from the maintainace cost alone.

GitHub has somehow managed to offer thousands of servers for free and still make money with their premium services. We all know how well GitLab did when they tried to compete with GitHub.

GitHub did not become dominant overnight. People tried other services like GitLab and realized it is slower, uglier and overall worse than GH and came crawling back.

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noodletheworld 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh come on.

Micros$$$$ft owns github.

We don't need to give some pretend sympathy.

When you can afford to have good things, and you're not, don't come crying about getting called bad names.

Actions is bad.

> I dare anyone who is delusional enough to think they can create something better to actually make something better

Actions speak louder than words.

Zig is leaving because of the issues they mentioned.

> People tried other services like GitLab and realized it is slower, uglier and overall worse than GH and came crawling back.

Maybe. I guess we'll see.

I think the OP has been pretty clear that they're not happy with it, and, they're putting their money where their mouth is.

Clearly, just complaining about broken things isn't working.

Maybe a couple more big moves like this is what GH needs to wake up and allocate some more resources (that they, can categorically afford) to fixing things.

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nromiun 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So who is complaining that Zig leaving GH is somehow a problem? I just don't like how they have to put out false claims like there are big problems with GH CI and Sponsors.

Zig is leaving GH for another provider. They did not make a better GH and fixed all the problems with it.

You literally have to fill out a form to convince Codeberg that you need CI. I would take GH CI over that.

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noodletheworld 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> I just don't like how they have to put out false claims like there are big problems with GH CI and Sponsors

These aren't false claims.

Thats my point.

Microsoft can afford to make these tools better; they just dont care.

Yes, its better than having nothing, but honestly you have to be wearing blinkers not to see the decline rn.

	▲	josephg 25 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> Microsoft can afford to make these tools better; they just dont care. They certainly have enough money, but can they actually improve it? Who could step in? How? Do you think more hiring would help? Or would it make it worse? Leadership could try and step in by force. But they'd have to undermine whoever is running github actions to do so. It would be a huge, risky political move. And for what? Are they actually losing customers over gh actions? I doubt it. I'm just not sure anyone cares to spend that much political capital to "fix" something that is arguably not that broken. Big companies also simply can't fix stuff that's broken internally. Its not a money thing. Its a culture & politics thing. Its a leadership thing. For example, does anyone remember Google Code? It was a github-like code hosting service that predated github by many years. Compared to github, it was terrible. When github came out, google could have rewritten Code from the ground up to copy github's better design and better choices. (Kind of like android did with ios). But they didn't. Github kicked their butt for many years. But nothing happened. They couldn't fix it. Now google code is basically dead. Or why didn't Adobe build a viable figma competitor? Why didn't microsoft make a successful iphone or ipad competitor? Why didn't intel win the contract to make the iphone CPU? These aren't money problems. Its something else. I've only heard stories of a couple leaders who had the force of personality to fix problems like this. Like Steve Jobs. And Elon Musk pulls some wild stunts too. Frankly, I don't think I'd like to work under either of them.

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stabbles 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The best free CI system in the world has macOS 15 runners running at 75% capacity due to a background process that consumes 100% CPU [1]. The problem is known to them since May but not fixed half a year later.

[1] https://github.com/actions/runner-images/issues/13358

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nromiun 3 hours ago | parent [-]

So tell us where is the better free macOS CI provider? I would love to switch to them.

That is what I meant by the BEST FREE CI provider. It is not the best if you have money for something better.

	▲	brabel 10 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I would love to know it. I use GH Actions to test my open source code on MacOS, Windows and Linux FOR FREE which is amazing. Without them I just wouldn't test on anything other than what I happen to have locally or what TravisCI/CircleCI had in their free tier before GH Actions made things so much easier. But if you do know of alternatives, I'm all ears.
	▲	ncruces 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yes I want to know too. Where can I run this test matrix for less than $100/mo unbilled (where half the “cost” is from macOS alone): https://github.com/ncruces/go-sqlite3/wiki/Support-matrix I built a similar matrix to test wazero (of which I'm a maintainer).

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flohofwoe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world.

It really isn't (look at Gitlab's for comparison), the only advantage of Github CI is that it offers free Mac runners.

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CafeRacer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You are not talking a out github actions? Monkeys would have done it better.

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homebrewer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The only good thing about it is their very generous limits for "open source" projects (it doesn't even have to be free software AFAIK, just the source has to be visible to everyone).

The CI service itself is an absolute trash fire caused by the usual Microsoft NIH, and if they have financial means not to deal with it anymore, I see no reason for them to waste their limited development time on dealing with it.

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ralph84 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Where else would the CI service for a Microsoft product be invented? NIH is a weird insult in this context. If Microsoft had instead acquired a CI service you’d be complaining about how they’re reducing competition.

	▲	SkiFire13 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Where else would the CI service for a Microsoft product be invented? FYI Azure has its own CI service and that's pretty bad too.

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nromiun 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They could have easily done that without all the insults.

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baq 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree it’s unprofessional, but at least we’re talking about GHA, even if tangentially, because there’s a lot to talk about and not much of it is good.

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Groxx 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I would agree if they weren't so clearly deserved. Calling shit out as being shit is fine.

	▲	nromiun 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Just because you think something is shit does not mean it becomes gospel for the rest of us. Millions of other people are fine with GitHub, respect their choice.

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