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FridayoLeary 10 hours ago

I don't understand that. 98% of devices over 15 years old have either died of old age or are completely obsolete. Something can be said about unlocking deprecated devices, but it would only ever be used by a tiny percentage of people. Apple devices in particular last a very long time anyway, as you should expect from a premium brand.

Fnoord 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They did the same for the iPad Pro. My kid is using the hand-me-down of my mother (so from grandmother to granddaughter). I put a case on it to protect against bumps, protect screen (has a couple of burn-in marks but it is still very usable) and put tape on top of the camera (the mics likely still work). I also put it on my IoT VLAN. She uses it for YouTube Kids and Disney+, mainly, but schooldays it is limited to 15 min a day and weekend days (fri and sat) to 1 hr. After that, she needs to ask for more time. Usually we don't give that, although in vacations we are lenient. The device still works very well, although the battery (still same as in 2017 or so when it was bought new) is a lil' bit hammered. Now here's the thing: is this device not overkill for the tasks I mentioned? I think so, yes. A kid her age (almost 8) would be happy with whatever, it could be 480p and they're cool with it, as long as the software is still secure (and don't give me the BS of 'don't give them a tablet'; it is locked down and my first shared PC was in like 1989 when I was about her age). And sadly, Apple doesn't want to provide software updates for this device anymore. Microsoft not either, btw, as they deprecated Windows 10 and Windows 11 requires TPMv2 (though Windows is more about PCs and laptops, I'm not sure if there's any effect on Surface hardware). I believe companies can do better, but if they don't want to, they should unlock the bootloader and give the user free reign on the device. You quit support, you unlock the hardware, or else you're violating the local law. That'd be my preference.

_fzslm 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's the larger point. A device with a 64-bit SoC, higher-than-HD display, battery, gigabytes of RAM and storage being consigned to landfill is bonkers.

gruez 8 hours ago | parent [-]

>It's the larger point. A device with a 64-bit SoC, higher-than-HD display, battery, gigabytes of RAM and storage being consigned to landfill is bonkers.

That's not a high bar to clear. Who's realistically going to use a laptop/desktop with a Core 2 Duo (2006), for instance?

asdefghyk 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

With lightweight , efficient , non bloated software it is entirely possible ? Start with a efficient OS

amatecha an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was ripping CDs with a Core 2 Duo Macbook a couple weeks ago lol (running Linux)

shawn_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I still use a C2D laptop running Linux for some things.

carlosjobim 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're going to think my answer is bizarre, but those kind of underpowered devices would be ideal for office work or non-IT businesses in general. They need computers to do the same things as they needed 15 or 20 years ago. Writing documents, spreadsheets, taking inventory, sending and receiving e-mail.

marci 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Thinpkad owners/modders, probably.

eviks 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because your made up stat is false because you lump a real problem (died of old age) with a fake one (completely obsolete)

baubino 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Something can be said about unlocking deprecated devices, but it would only ever be used by a tiny percentage of people. Apple devices in particular last a very long time anyway, as you should expect from a premium brand.

Used by a tiny percentage only because Apple has made it as difficult as possible to not upgrade, which is especially egregious precisely because their devices are long-lasting.

(This comment brought to you via a perfectly functioning iPhone 8 running the latest possible iOS that supports it.)

Joe_Cool 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am typing this from my 2009 Win7 PC I use for older Windows games...

Huh?

asdefghyk 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

RE "....I am typing this from my 2009 Win7 PC...."

Ssssshhhh ..... Microsoft does not want people to hear this .....

FridayoLeary 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

HN is biased towards the sort of people who keep computers from 2009 to play with and wish they could get more use out of their 12 year old iPad Air. That's great, but it's simply not a thing for most people so i don't see how it significantly reduce ewaste.

layer8 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If mobile devices would routinely last twenty years, which they very well could, that would reduce a lot of e-waste. Software getting more demanding is also a function of hardware churn.

ryandrake 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s sad that hardware outlasts software. You’d expect the opposite.

droopyEyelids 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The average salary in the USA is still $66k. You're living in a bubble to think people don't want to get more time out of their family's iOS devices.

Klonoar 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The iOS ecosystem graduated to status symbol for many, $66k average salary doesn’t really matter when society will just take whatever carrier trade in deal they can use to status up.

gruez 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>You're living in a bubble to think people don't want to get more time out of their family's iOS devices.

No, at least for Apple devices, the overwhelming majority are replaced before they reach EOL. According to https://telemetrydeck.com/survey/apple/iPhone/models/, only around 25% of people are using iPhones that were released more than 3 years ago.

anigbrowl 6 hours ago | parent [-]

So only ~35 million people?

Maybe more people aren't running older hardware because it's too difficult, rather than because they don't want to. The basic idea is here is taht if a device can still hold a charge and the user is OK with limited features, they should be able to keep using it as long as they feel like it.

beeflet 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The PC ecosystem is the exception to the rule. 20 year lifetimes are typical, but in the smartphone world 10 years is treated as an impossibility. It is all disposable by design

chasil 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I am running the latest LineageOS on my OnePlus 5, which is eight years old. I intend to be using it for some time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnePlus_5

mc3301 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not sure about today's conventions, but it used to be that every component inside a car had a minimum standard of 10-year-life. The Toyota Landcruiser famously had a minimum 25-year-life for each and every single component. I have worked closely with some older Toyota engineers in Japan. It is possible but not conventional.

excalibur 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I don't understand that. 98% of devices over 15 years old have either died of old age or are completely obsolete. Something can be said about unlocking deprecated devices, but it would only ever be used by a tiny percentage of people. Apple devices in particular last a very long time anyway, as you should expect from a premium brand.

This comment gave me whiplash