| ▲ | sc68cal 5 hours ago |
| > The incentive for one of the big players to undercut the other on cost even just a little bit to pick up market share is extremely lucrative. I would argue that the DRAM price fixing scandal actually demonstrates that the industry operates like a cartel. During times of low demand and high supply, they will coordinate to protect prices, and then during spikes in demand (or alleged spikes in demand) they coordinate to keep the price from dropping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing_scandal |
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| ▲ | ChadNauseam 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > then during spikes in demand (or alleged spikes in demand) they coordinate to keep the price from dropping. Why would they need to coordinate to keep the price from dropping during a spike in demand? a spike in demand will obviously not be expected to lower prices regardless of collusion |
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| ▲ | amy_petrik 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >Why would they need to coordinate to keep the price from dropping during a spike in demand? They wouldn't you're right. But I would expect for them to follow the sorts of behavior we've observed in other markets - egg prices, gasoline prices. When a spike occurs, even if as brief as a lightning strike, they will only very slowly drop prices, when in a purely capitalistic world the price drop ought to be equally fast - suggestive that the slow drop is a mutual agreed upon collusion. After all, it's in all sellers best interest to game that "consumers temporarily agreeable to scalping prices" as hard as possible, Nash equilibrium or whatever amongst sellers. Many such cases and more vicious and brutal punishments for such behavior would serve to benefit the common man, the final point and benefit of capitalism | |
| ▲ | zozbot234 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, the industry is capacity limited so if there's a true spike in demand, prices will be high even absent any collusion. Especially if previous investment in expanding capacity has been lacking for many years. | |
| ▲ | jagged-chisel 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To keep someone from undercutting others’ prices and causing a competitive pricing war. Realistically, it wouldn’t be a meaningful drop to the consumer. But it’ll affect some executive’s ability to buy another unnecessary trinket. | | |
| ▲ | zozbot234 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If the industry is at capacity (which it plausibly is, especially since HBM memory is made in the same facilities) then no one can physically "undercut" anyone else. Collusion works by artificially restraining supply of some valuable good; if there was genuine collusion at play, we'd probably be seeing companies make less of the expensive HBM (to push its price even higher; note that patent and other IPR restrictions can in fact have this effect, to some extent) and more of the comparatively cheap DRAM! |
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| ▲ | altairprime 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Said industry's cartel behavior is already a matter of historical fact, so they do not earn any benefit of the doubt being afforded them. |
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| ▲ | tshaddox 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If there are a small number of sellers and barriers to entry are high, we should expect at the bare minimum "tacit collusion": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacit_collusion |
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| ▲ | lpribis 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Following the plea agreement he was sentenced to 8 months in prison and fined US$250,000.[6] Lee was subsequently promoted to President of Samsung Germany in 2009, and then President of Samsung Europe in 2014. Lmao he got rewarded for taking the fall. |
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| ▲ | flanderizedNed 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Was in the room working for a hardware company during the offshoring phase of high tech manufacturing Offshoring was 100% because of antitrust concerns. Copyright landlords and hardware manufacturers were concerned with Americans and their morals also having the skills to create endless competition. American workers compensation prize was endless hustle jobs to distract them from political revolution. The olds don't care if the kids end up unskilled knowledge serfs, fuzzy VHS tapes of outdated academics. The olds will be dead. | |
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| ▲ | hyperpape 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The problem with citing cartels and greed is...when prices are low, is it because the industry is momentarily altruistic? Did the industry wake up in late 2025 and think "holy shit, I've been being nice, but it's time to turn over a new leaf and start gouging people?" I mean, don't get me wrong, they are greedy. But that's been true for years. What's changed is the market. |