> You really need a competent and understanding boss to not be labeled a luddite, because let's be real - LLMs have made everyone more "productive" on paper.

I am actually less productive when using LLMs because now I have to read another entities code and be able to judge wether this fits my current business problem or not. If it doesn't, yay refactoring prompts instead of tackling the actual problem. Also I can write code for free, LLMs coding assistants aren't free. I can fit business problems amd edge cases into my brain given some time, a LLM is unaware about edge cases, legal requirements, decoupled dependencies, potential refactors or the occasional call of boss asking for something to be sneaked into the code right now. If my job forced me to use these tools, congrats, I'll update my address to some hut in a forrest eating cold canned ravioli for the rest of my life because I for sure dont wanna work in a world where I am forced to use dystopian big tech machines I cant look into.

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Aurornis 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

> I am actually less productive when using LLMs because now I have to read another entities code and be able to judge wether this fits my current business problem or not.

You don’t have to let the LLM write code for you. They’re very useful as a smart search engine for your code base, a smart refactoring tool, a suggestion generator, and many other ways.

I rarely have LLMs write code for me from scratch that I have to review, but I do give them specific instructions to do what I want to the codebase. They can do it much faster than I can search around the codebase and type out myself.

There are so many ways to make LLMs useful without having them do all the work while you sit back and judge. I think some people are determined to get no value out of the LLM because they feel compelled to be anti-hype, so they’re missing out on all the different little ways they can be used to help. Even just using it as a smarter search engine (in the modes where they can search and find the right sections of right articles or even GitHub issues for you) has been very helpful. But you have to actually learn how to use them.

> If my job forced me to use these tools, congrats, I'll update my address to some hut in a forrest eating cold canned ravioli for the rest of my life because I for sure dont wanna work in a world where I am forced to use dystopian big tech machines I cant look into.

Okay, good luck with your hut in the forest. The rest of us will move on using these tools how we see fit, which for many of us doesn’t actually include this idea where the LLM is the author of the code and you just ask nicely and reject edits until it produces the exact code you want. The tools are useful in many ways and you don’t have to stop writing your own code. In fact, anyone who believes they can have the LLM do all the coding is in for a bad surprise when they realize that specific hype is a lie.

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bgwalter 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Is that why open source progress has generally slowed down since 2023? We keep hearing these promises, and reality shows the opposite.

	▲	Aurornis 14 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> Is that why open source progress has generally slowed down since 2023? Citation needed for a clam of that magnitude.

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zwnow 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> But you have to actually learn how to use them.

This probably is the issue for me, I am simply not willing to do so. To me the whole AI thing is extremely dystopian so even on a professional level I feel repulsed by it.

We had an AWS and a Cloudflare outage recently, which has shown that maybe it isn't a great idea to rely on a few companies for a single _thing_. Integrating LLMs and using all these tools is just another bridge people depend on at some point.

I want to write software that works, preferably even offline. I want tools that do not spy on me (referring to that new Google editor, forgot the name). Call me once these tools work offline on my 8GB RAM laptop with a crusty CPU and I might put in the effort to learn them.

	▲	Aurornis 15 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> This probably is the issue for me, I am simply not willing to do so. Thanks for being honest at least. So many HN arguments start as a desire to hate something and then try to bridge that into something that feels like a takedown of the merits of that thing. I think a lot of the HN LLM hate comes from people who simply want to hate LLMs. > We had an AWS and a Cloudflare outage recently, which has shown that maybe it isn't a great idea to rely on a few companies for a single _thing_. Integrating LLMs and using all these tools is just another bridge people depend on at some point. For an experienced dev using LLMs as another tool, an LLM outage isn’t a problem. You just continue coding. It’s on the level of Google going down so you have to use another search engine or try to remember the URL for something yourself. The main LLM players are also easy to switch between. I jump between Anthropic, Google, and OpenAI almost month to month to try things out. I could have subscriptions to all 3 at the same time and it would still be cheap. I think this point is overblown. It’s not a true team dependency like when GitHub stop working a few days back.