Based on conversations with peers for the last ~3 years or so, some of retrained to become programmers, this doesn't seem to as absolute as you paint it out to be.

But as mentioned earlier, the situation in the US seems much more dire than elsewhere. People I know who entered the programming profession in South America, Europe and Asia for these last years don't seem to have more troubles than I had when I got started. Yes, it requires work, just like it did before.

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DJBunnies 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Nah it's pretty bad, but congrats on being an outlier.

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embedding-shape 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Literally the worst job you can find as a programmer today (if you lower you standards and particularly, stay away from cryptocurrency jobs) is 10x better than the non-programmer jobs you can find.

If you don't trust me, give a non-programming job a try for 1 year and then come back and tell me how much more comfy $JOB was :)

	▲	RHSeeger an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Literally the worst job you can find as a programmer today (if you lower you standards and particularly, stay away from cryptocurrency jobs) is 10x better than the non-programmer jobs you can find. This is a ridiculous statement. I know plenty of people (that are not developers) that make around the same as I do and enjoy their work as much as I do. Yes, software development is a great field to be in, but there's plenty of others that are just as good.
	▲	nake89 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> give a non-programming job a try for 1 year I have a mortgage, 3 kids and a wife to support. So no. I don't think I'm going to do that. Also, I like my programming job. EDIT: Sorry I thought you were saying the opposite. Didn't realize you were the OP of this thread.
	▲	kamaal 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		>>Literally the worst job you can find as a programmer today (if you lower you standards and particularly, stay away from cryptocurrency jobs) is 10x better than the non-programmer jobs you can find. A lot of non-programmer jobs have a kind of union protection, pension plans and other perks even with health care. That makes a crappy salary and work environment bearable. There was this VP of HR, in a Indian outsourcing firm, and she something to the effect that Software jobs appear like would pay to the moon, have an employee generate tremendous value for the company and general appeal that only smart people work these jobs. None of this happens with the majority of the people. So after 10-15 years you actually kind of begin to see why some one might want to work a manufacturing job. Life is long, job guarantee, pensions etc matter far more than 'move fast and break thing' glory as you age.
	▲	queenkjuul 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I was a lot happier in previous non-programming jobs, they just were much worse at paying the bills. If i could make my programming salary doing either of my previous jobs, i would go back in a heartbeat. Hell if i could make even 60% of my programming salary doing those jobs I'd go back. I enjoy the practice of programming well enough but i do not at all love it as a career. I don't hate it by any means either but it's far from my first choice in terms of career.