We still don't have a commercially viable product though?

I've fed thousands of dollars to Anthropic/OAI/etc for their coding models over the past year despite never having paid for dev tools before in my life. Seems commercially viable to me.

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chroma205 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I've fed thousands of dollars to Anthropic/OAI/etc for their coding models over the past year despite never having paid for dev tools before in my life. Seems commercially viable to me.

For OpenAI to produce a 10% return, every iPhone user on earth needs to pay $30/month to OpenAI.

That ain’t happening.

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menaerus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They don't sell their models to individuals only but also to companies with most likely different business and pricing models so that's an overly simplistic view of their business. YoY their spending increases, we can safely assume that one of the reasons is the growing user base.

Time will probably come when we won't be allowed to consume frontier models without paying anything, as we can today, and time will come when this $30 will most likely become double or triple the price.

Though the truth is that R&D around AI models, and especially their hosting (inference), is expensive and won't get any cheaper without significant algorithmic improvements. According to the history, my opinion is that we may very well be ~10 years from that moment.

EDIT: HSBC has just published some projections. From https://archive.ph/9b8Ae#selection-4079.38-4079.42

> Total consumer AI revenue will be $129bn by 2030

> Enterprise AI will be generating $386bn in annual revenue by 2030

> OpenAI’s rental costs will be a cumulative $792bn between the current year and 2030, rising to $1.4tn by 2033

> OpenAI’s cumulative free cash flow to 2030 may be about $282bn

> Squaring the first total off against the second leaves a $207bn funding hole

So, yes, expensive (mind the rental costs only) ... but forseen to be penetrating into everything imagineable.

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krige 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>> OpenAI’s cumulative free cash flow to 2030 may be about $282bn

According to who, OpenAI? It is almost certain they flat out lie about their numbers as suggested by their 20% revenue shares with MS.

	▲	menaerus 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		A bank - HSBC. Read the article.

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zaptrem 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not sure where that math is coming from. Assuming it's true, you're ignoring that some users (me) already pay 10X that. Btw according Meta's SEC filings: https://s21.q4cdn.com/399680738/files/doc_financials/2023/q4... they made around $22/month/american user (not even heavy user or affluent iPhone owner) in q3 2023. I assume Google would be higher due to larger marketshare.

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lovich 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you fed thousands of dollars to them, but it cost them tens of thousands of dollars in compute, it’s not commercially viable.

None of these companies have proven the unit economics on their services

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aurareturn 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If all frontier LLM labs agreed to a truce and stopped training to save on cost, LLMs would be immensely profitable now.

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AstroBen 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That isn't what I've seen: https://www.wheresyoured.at/oai_docs/

	▲	aurareturn 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		https://simonwillison.net/2025/Aug/17/sam-altman/#:~:text=Su... Also independent analysis: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=aurareturn&next=4596...

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amypetrik8 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

google what you just said and look at the top hit

it's a AI summary

google eats that ad revenue

it eats the whole thing

it blocked your click on the link... it drinks your milkshake

so, yes, there a 100 billion commercially viable product

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bakedoatmeal 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Google Search has 3 sources of revenue that I am aware of: ad revenue from the search results page, sponsored search results, and AdSense revenue on the websites the user is directed to.

If users just look at the AI overview at the top of the search page, Google is hobbling two sources of revenue (AdSense, sponsored search results), and also disincentivizing people from sharing information on the web that makes their AI overview useful. In the process of all this they are significantly increasing the compute costs for each Google search.

This may be a necessary step to stay competitive with AI startups' search products, but I don't think this is a great selling point for AI commercialization.

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skylissue 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And so ends the social contract of the web, the virtuous cycle of search engines sending traffic to smaller sites which collect ad revenue which in turn boosts search engine usage.

To thunderous applause.

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nimchimpsky 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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