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Nextgrid 9 hours ago

> you're circumventing the method of paying for content.

I disagree. If you were buying every advertised product and falling for every advertised scam then fair enough. But assuming you were ignoring them, there is no issue with offloading the thing you would do anyway to a computer and save everyone the time/bandwidth.

danpalmer 9 hours ago | parent [-]

The advertiser is buying the right to put an advert in front of you, not the right to a sale. Whether they convert you is up to them, their product, their offering, etc. I think you can never buy a single product from an ad and this is still piracy.

That said, a lot of advertising is not performance/pay-per-click focused as you've described and is instead brand advertising. The point of the Coca-Cola christmas ads is not to get you to buy a coke today, it's to have a positive impression that builds over years. This sort of advertising is very hard to attribute sales to, but a good example of how you don't need to buy a product for seeing the ad to be worth something to the company.

Nextgrid 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And I have the right to pay someone to watch the ads + videos for me, and then summarize me the video minus ads. Just like I have the right to hand my ad-full newspaper to someone, have them cut out the ads and hand me back the now ad-free one.

If both of those are legal and ethical (I’d be curious what argument someone would make against this), then offloading this work to a machine should be just as ethical.

danpalmer 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But in those cases someone is still seeing the ads. It's when no one is seeing the ads that it becomes piracy, in my opinion.

A summary is not the same as the content either, that's a fairly well tested concept (fair use, etc).

opello 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's an "if a tree falls in the forest" version of "if the viewer leaves the room" at which point has a theft still been visited upon the broadcaster? The business that paid for the ad?

In a newspaper if I skip over ads with my eyes do you think I've marginalized/pirated/stolen from the business that paid for the ad? They paid for placement and not an impression. I'd argue that if YouTube presents the ad and my browser/app/whatever skips it then YouTube satisfied its obligation and that's where it ends. The advertiser, knowing full well the limitations of the access mechanism, made a choice to throw money into this version of the attention economy. It's obviously worth it to them or they wouldn't do it, or haven't made as careful of an economic decision as I would imagine I suppose.

Nextgrid 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ok, let’s switch it up a bit. I give the ad-full newspaper to someone not speaking the local language. Or an illiterate person. Or a monkey trained to be good with scissors. Is this also piracy? At what point does it become piracy? How little of an ad should someone see/understand before it counts as a “valid” ad view? A few words? A full sentence? Etc.

danpalmer 7 hours ago | parent [-]

You're trying to nit-pick where the line is drawn. The point is not where the line is drawn, it's that there is a line.

Installing an ad-blocker in your browser and never seeing an ad while consuming hours of content for free, depriving those creators of revenue, depriving the platform of revenue to support your usage of it, is in no way comparable to these at-the-margin contrived examples.

sidrag22 6 hours ago | parent [-]

depriving?

the creators are posting their content on a free platform, with hopes that it will generate enough views so that enough of those viewers are ad watching viewers so that they will gain revenue. you're acting like the view is 100% meaningless and ONLY a bad thing, and its quite the opposite.

the "free" view costs the creator literally nothing, and it gains them an additional view, if its a good video its potentially gonna help spread the video elsewhere where maybe they can find some suckers to mindlessly consume ads.

and lets be real, the platform you are "depriving of revenue" is google... they operated ad free to create massive market capture to create the current monstrosity that is youtube in 2025, think they can't cut off all users that block ads right now? there is a reason they aren't doing so.

jemmyw 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not piracy. You might have a problem with it ethically. But you're not breaking copyright laws by blocking ads.

Another way to look at it is additive rather than subtractive. If I visit a site with a text only browser that cannot display ads, what is your position then? And if I then implement the ability for my browser to play only the main video on any page, what then?

When it comes down to it, we have no obligation to view the content on a webpage the way the publisher of said webpage wants us to. You can think of plenty of other examples that make "adblocking is piracy" ridiculous - I invert the colors but the publisher doesn't want me to see it with inverted colors. I wear sunglasses while looking at it, which changes the way it looks. Maybe the site I use always puts an ad in the same place so I stick a bit of tape on my monitor in that location, is that bad?

JAlexoid 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can rationalize this any way you want, but at the end of the day you're screwing over not a faceless corporation - but the very people who put out videos on YouTube.

It's fine if you're OK with it, but don't pretend that you're not doing that.

Nextgrid 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’m totally cool with “screwing over” people who make their income screwing gullible people into falling for scams or buying useless, overpriced junk they don’t need. I don’t need to rationalize it for myself, I’m just trying to show some people the error in their ways, but maybe their portfolio of ad-related stocks is clouding their vision?

JAlexoid 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I hate to break it to you, but you're not doing any of that.

You seem like you have a robin hood complex or something similar.

sidrag22 6 hours ago | parent [-]

the creator is being harmed in no way at all, the ad free viewer is still a viewer and still could potentially generate more traffic to that creator by word of mouth algo pushing based on more views etc. Its still a net positive for the creator, just not AS net positive as an ad viewer.

its not some secret that some % of viewers, block ads.. either you lean into it and utilize it, or you pretend people should be obligated to only watch your videos by paying or watching ads, in that case find a new platform.

aspaviento 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The choice of an individual to skip an advertisement has minimal impact on the content creator or the platform. This person isn't accountable for the decisions of others regarding whether they watch the ad or not. Ultimately, their actions only affect themselves and do not influence anyone involved in the advertisement process.

pessimizer 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You're not replying directly to the last comment because it posed a hard question, and you've resorted to an emotional appeal.

tailrecursion 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, piracy is defined as stealing a vendor's exclusivity by making copies and putting them up on a web site. Ad blocking is not the same as making copies and distributing.

You might as well argue that covering your ears during a TV advertisement is piracy. That's a strange definition of the word if I ever saw one.

danpalmer 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I think content piracy is generally accepted to not require re-distributing. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but if I search "watch free movies online" and find a site streaming bad DVD rips, I fully believe that I am pirating that content against the wishes of the content owner.

aspaviento 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Generally accepted by whom? There are many countries that only consider distribution illegal so I don't think it's generally accepted at all.

its_ethan 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I'd say generally accepted by the majority of English speaking/western society? If someone said they were going to "pirate a movie" there's next to zero chance they are referring to the distribution side of that endeavor.

I feel like OP isn't asserting anything even remotely controversial in that definition lol

aspaviento 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Um... no? Maybe that's true for English speakers (I'm not a native speaker, so I won't make assumptions), but thinking that Western society views it that way is a big stretch, especially with streaming sites. While some might admit to watching something on a pirate site, many people don't refer to it as piracy when they're using a streaming service.

cwillu 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> a site streaming bad DVD rips

This is redistributing.

marssaxman 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the right to put an advert in front of you

The advertiser may well think that's what they're buying, but what they're actually getting is the right to send my browser a URL, which they hope I will fetch and view.

I would prefer not to, so I don't.

cm2012 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also, Youtube pays out more to creators than anyone else on the web, they dwarf Patreon 10x. People who make youtube videos rely on ads to get paid.

Nextgrid 9 hours ago | parent [-]

They’re welcome not to make videos. But if they make them and lay them out there for free alongside some garbage I have the right to ignore, don’t blame me if I do look at them and ignore the garbage, and since there’s so much of it I eventually get my machine to ignore them, not unlike wearing gloves when dealing with a messy task as to save you the time of scrubbing your hands from dirt/oil/etc.

cm2012 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If its so gross you dont have to use/watch youtube!

danpalmer 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ignoring the "garbage" is absolutely valid, but hiding it so that you never see it is what makes it piracy.

timcobb 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can say it's immoral or violates terms of service but as others have pointed out this isn't piracy, which has a very specific definition

MonitorBird 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I hope you never get a chance to talk to Congress.

fn-mote 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The advertiser is buying the right to put an advert in front of you

Is this the way YouTube ads work? If I don’t load the ad, is someone paying?

venturecruelty 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nobody has the right to put things on my screen that I don't want to see, first of all. Second, I'm never going to "convert", so I'm actually saving them money by blocking their ads, because now the ad will go to someone else who doesn't block it who might buy whatever Temu nonsense is being forced on them.

Edit: oh, I see you work at Google.

Loudergood 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You mean DoubleClick. It's clear which business model took over after the merger.