what type of professional organization is most beneficial? Standards are already out there, but they need a union or government regulation to be enforced. Devs who want real change need to pick their medicine, or continue to let the industry stagnate.

>the role of organizing to not to get more money but rather to reduce indignities

agreed. And I think that's why it's going to really start taking hold as we enter year 4 of mass layoffs in the US (because outsourcing). Alongside overwork from the "survivors" and abusive PIPs to keep people on edge.

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fugalfervor a day ago | parent | next [-]

> year 4 of mass layoffs in the US (because outsourcing)

A lot of the layoffs appear to be about conserving cash for investment in AI. In many cases the jobs that are cut are not backfilled by workers in the US or abroad.

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nradov a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It's wild to claim that the industry is stagnating. By any objective measure the industry is larger, more influential, and more innovative than ever before. Perhaps the problems that people are complaining about here just don't matter very much?

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pdimitar 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When was the last time you had to look for a job?

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nradov 12 hours ago | parent [-]

2024

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pdimitar 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I take it you have a good reputation and a network then. It is getting increasingly difficult to get hired lately, even as a senior. At least in the EU.

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nradov 10 hours ago | parent [-]

It's a shame how the EU has sabotaged their own software industry through a mix of excessive regulation, misguided labor protections, and failure to develop broad capital markets. It's like they're collectively choosing to be poor and backward. I can't understand it.

	▲	pdimitar 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I can't understand it either. To me it seems people are excessively risk-averse. I can understand that but I don't understand the leadership not trying to stimulate a little bit of risk and growth there. It's getting to absurd levels at places. But regardless. Not like USA companies are open to EU citizens currently. Whether it's politics, compliance / legal, or tax-related, it does not matter much. Most US job ads I've seen lately are making it super clear that they want only US citizens.

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venturecruelty a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

More innovative? Is that why none of my stuff works anymore and is crammed full of crapware I don't want that spies on me?

Oh, you meant innovative for the shareholders. Got it.

	▲	nradov 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I don't know, maybe you're buying junk? I don't have that problem.

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franktankbank a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> By any objective measure the industry is larger, more influential, and more innovative than ever before

What objective measures would you use?

	▲	nradov 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Pick any measure you like: total employment, revenue, patents, new venture formation, products shipped, etc. There are fluctuations from year to year due to the business cycle but overall the trend is up.