| ▲ | keepamovin 7 hours ago |
| Maybe we should stop selecting islands next to China to be global critical supply chain hubs. I mean, even if the Chinese were non-expansionist and benevolent, it's still kind of tempting them a little too much. |
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| ▲ | mikkupikku 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Who is "we"? Japan doesn't have much choice, they either do things even though they are next to China, or ..what? Maybe its time for people to stop being paralyzed by fear and invest in their future. If China is such a severe threat to Japan, then invest more in the JSDF. Yes, China is powerful and has an aggressive stance, but that's no reason to give up without a fight. Japan and South Korea together can very nearly match China's shipbuilding tonnage per year, and besides that Japan collaborates with America to develop advanced naval missiles like the SM-3 Block IIA. Effective deterrence of China w.r.t. Japan should be achievable if people stop overdosing on blackpills. |
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| ▲ | somerandomqaguy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They already are investing in the JSDF. The JS Chokai is in San Diego right now being equipped with Tomahawk cruise missles, but AFAIK the plan is to equipped all 8 Kongo class destroyers with those missles. And that's just one part of the expansion. But the short version is that the JSDF isn't staying a defensive only institution. | | |
| ▲ | codedokode 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nowadays, are large ships well protected from small unmanned underwater ships? Are they worth building? | | |
| ▲ | jandrewrogers 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The large ships are well-protected. A “small unmanned underwater ship” has been a primary threat model for a century e.g. heavy torpedoes. These already have very long range and sophisticated sensors that allow them to hunt targets autonomously. The other side of this is that modern large military ships are almost literally unsinkable. It is very difficult to get enough explosive on target due to their extreme damage resistance. When the military does live fire exercises where they attack obsolete military vessels with no active defenses using torpedos, missiles, bombs, etc, they usually don’t manage to sink it. They have to send a specialized demolition crew afterward to actually scuttle the damaged ship and turn it into an artificial reef. An operational large military vessel will have layers of substantial active defenses that make this even more difficult. | |
| ▲ | somerandomqaguy 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes to being worth building. The whole point of the navy is to be able to control waterways. The whole point of being able to control waterways is to be able to economically ship large amounts of material and people; in the case of warfare, soldiers, bullets, food, water, fuel, etc. An unmanned fast attack sub is going to be useless for defending your logistics fleet from strike fighters and anti ship missles. Even a dingy that has a guy in it with a rocket propelled grenade can send a cargo ship to it's grave. You have to have a surface ships with powerful defenses to protect them. |
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| ▲ | keepamovin 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is more of a humorous take. We already have trouble with one chip nexus is right next to China, and now we build another one? "ha ha". We is humanity. The collective we probably doesn't want a lever of the future controlled by a totalitarian communist ehnostate. But yes, I agree Japan, Indonesia (as was intended), etc should wise up. | | |
| ▲ | mikkupikku 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | "We already have trouble with one chip nexus is right next to China, and now we build another one? "ha ha". We is humanity." Your "whole humanity 'We'" isn't who's investing in chip industry in Hokkaido. It's Japan. | | |
| ▲ | keepamovin 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | But these things are done based on global supply chains. It's about more than just Japan, isn't it? Same time, Japan clearly wants freedom to do things its own way. Good. It has the freedom. It just has to take it. Do it. |
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| ▲ | DoughnutHole 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is Japan selecting itself to develop a critical industry. Being deeply embedded in global supply chains and your allies’ economies makes it a lot more difficult for them to justify abandoning you to your enemies. |
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| ▲ | zawaideh 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How many bases does china have around the world? How many does the US? |
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| ▲ | tdeck 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Imagine if China built one base in Mexico or the Caribbean. People would be treating it like a declaration of war. Meanwhile the US builds a ring of military bases in countries surrounding China and that's not supposed to be seen as bellicose in any way. | | |
| ▲ | MangoCoffee 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Meanwhile the US builds a ring of military bases in countries surrounding China and that's not supposed to be seen as bellicose in any way. Shouldn't you take WWII history into the account? 1. South Korea - Korean war happened and majority of South Korean want US military base there 'cause you know North Korea with its nukes point at Seoul. 2. Japan - well, everyone know what happened and the treaty were signed thus military base in Japan. | |
| ▲ | keepamovin 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's because the US was founded on a unique constitution to empower individuals against tyranny, then defeated (with Russia, mind) the Nazis in world war II, bootstrapped the UN, went to the moon, and ushered in an era of global leadership and peace, along with unmatched soft power (films, news, etc). Camelot, shining city on the hill. China had a bloody communist revolution, then got rich (in part by breaking deals and ripping off IP) - also through hard work. America is porous, "Shortbus", "anyone can make it", American dream. China is ethnonationalist, and has a sense of ethnic and cultural supremacy that is not inclusive of "outsiders". That's why it's a problem, and, rightly, seen/intuitied to be a problem, more so than the US (despite US' many failings/misteps, etc). |
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| ▲ | yourusername 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is 750 km from China (going through Russia) and a 2600km trip from China's nearest port.
If this isn't safe enough is all of Asia off limits then? |
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| ▲ | pezezin 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hokkaido is not close to China... it is close to Russia, I don't know what is worse xD |
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