No, it wasn't clear. I know several Trump voters who either didn't know Project 2025 existed or believed the lies that it was a liberal hoax.

To anyone paying an ounce of attention, yeah it might have been clear.

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JojoFatsani 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Ignorant voters do not excuse the actions of elected officials

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gmd63 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm not excusing elected officials. I would go further and blame Vivek Ramaswamy for playing a huge part in pitching the failed DOGE. I'm just pointing out that the Trump admin deliberately lied about its connection to Project 2025, which made DOGE's connection unclear to people who consume Fox News etc.

People are downing my comment for suggesting that many people who don't take the internet straight into their veins every day might have had a hard time connecting the dots between DOGE and Project 2025.

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phantasmish 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

All they had to do was skim any decent daily, weekly, or monthly newspaper or news magazine in 2024. Folks whose only news sources are Facebook shares and Fox News are simply stupid. The reason they don’t know WTF is going on may be due to their news sources, but they chose those. That’s a really stupid thing to do.

	▲	lotsoweiners a minute ago \| parent [-]
		> Folks whose only news sources are Facebook shares and Fox News are simply stupid. Maybe or maybe not. What I do know is that they are large in number and a political opponent should realize this and strategize accordingly.

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estearum 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I think at some point people need to take some accountability for their own information ecosystem.

It really is a Catch-22 though, since the imperative and ability to do that is itself derivative of the information ecosystem.

Which is why I blame, more than anyone else, the actual smart people (largely cynical, craven, and greedy) who didn’t through their weight against this stuff when it could’ve mattered.

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phantasmish 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I know people who didn’t know the government had shut down until more than two weeks into it (and on discovering it were like “oh shit this might affect us!” because their whole lifestyle depends on money from the government).

The same people didn’t know the east wing had been torn down until a couple weeks after it happened.

In both cases they only found out when my wife told them.

They pay attention to lots of “news” but it’s AI videos of mass crimes and viral “look how bad democrats are” garbage.

That people are dense motherfuckers (can we stop sugar coating how stupid these people are if they’re surprised about any of these things? I mean dumb as a bag of hammers kinds of dumb, dimmest bulb in a box of broken bulbs, that level of dumb) doesn’t mean this wasn’t clear.

It is 100% these morons’ own fault they’re surprised.

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FireBeyond 9 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I think you're missing the point: it was the purpose all along, they just didn't state that.

"Several Trump voters"? And, and not just Trump voters - the most common search phrase on Google on 11/20/2024?

"Did Biden drop out?"

You have far more faith in an educated electorate than I.