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rootusrootus an hour ago

Isn't most public transit already subsidized?

Aurornis 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Very much so. When I was younger I assumed fares were for the cost of the public transport, but after following some local budgeting discussions I was stunned by how little the fares covered operating costs.

Small amounts of cost sharing are a useful technique for incentivizing people to make wise decisions in general, so there’s some value in having token small fares. It’s the same difference that shows up when you list something for $10 in your local classifieds as opposed to listing it as FREE. Most people who use classifieds learn early on that listing things for free is just asking for people to waste your time, but listing for any price at all seems to make people care a little more and put some thought into their decisions. I’ve often given things away for free after listing them for small amounts in classifieds because it filters for people who are less likely to waste your time.

loeg 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

Fares income isn't insubstantial -- just as an example I'm familiar with, King County Metro (Seattle area) was ~33% funded by fares before Covid (which destroyed both ridership and percent non-stealing riders). It is material; not "token."

raybb 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not nearly as much as cars and highways are subsidized.

Strong Towns talks quite a bit about how especially suburban roads are not financially sustainable.

loeg 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, but with fewer dollars than roads.