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idle_zealot 3 hours ago

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themafia 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's nothing "made up" about it. It actually happens. There are areas of this country with endemic homelessness and absolutely no strategy to address it. So, you get the obvious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVKE2pqUjIA

throwaway173738 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah but what are the actual problems? It shouldn’t be a crime to not have a house. We should probably focus on actual problems like peeing or being intoxicated on the bus which are the actual harms.

themafia 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Falling asleep on a bus is a great way to get victimized. The homeless are most likely to be victimized by other homeless. It almost never gets reported to the police.

It's not a shelter and it's not meant to be converted into one. To me it's an indication of an overworked and failing system that leaves people in bad situations because it has nowhere else for them to go.

Sure, you could argue that because there's currently no obvious major problems, that you could just leave it as is and be entirely unconcerned with it, or even go so far as to suggest that anyone who does want to fix it is doing so in bad faith. I think that's cruel and lazy.

The actual problem? These people need _real_ shelter.

trollbridge an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Whilst it's not a crime not to have a house, providing housing via free buses is a very poor way to address people who don't have houses, and it has an unfortunate side effect of pushing people who would otherwise use public transportation away from using it.

the_snooze an hour ago | parent [-]

You see this in public libraries in major cities. They're open to everyone, so they become shelters of last resort for homeless folks. The large presence of homeless people discourages the public at-large from using the library as a library. That in turn weakens the political will to continue funding libraries.

PeterHolzwarth 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do daily commutes by bus in a major west coast city. You'll quickly find this is no made up problem.

burkaman 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It must not have anything to do with free fares, then, so it seems like an irrelevant thing to bring up here. There are no major west coast cities with free buses.

shkkmo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Homeless already often get access to free or cheap passes, often that allow unlimited rides.

Insisting that we charge everyone a bus fare because we think otherwise it might make it eaier to homeless people to use the bus is not only uninformed, but also heartless.

If you have problems with homeless people on buses, then figure out why those people aren't in a better shelter and solve that problem.

PaulHoule 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s not easy to shelter people.

In Ithaca we recently built this place

https://mastodon.social/@UP8/115398619308992584

which is all low income housing on top of a conference center with maybe 1/4 of the units for people who had been unhoused. I think most of the people there are not criminally minded and keep to themselves but there are a few people there who are starting fires, dealing drugs, and causing damage. (Note a few windows in that image are busted out) Many homeless people have dogs that are important to them and wouldn’t be housed if they couldn’t bring their dogs, but… last year they had an outbreak of parovirus because dogs were having puppies and the puppies weren’t getting shots. A friend of mine got bit by a dog across the street from that place and thought it belonged to someone who lived there.

Some of it is people with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder can be almost impossible to live with if they aren’t getting treatment and I’m worried that deinstitutionalization will have a even more profoundly negative legacy seen 50 years from now than it already does. Not least, a 20 year old today spent many years of their life in a classroom where a ‘special’ kid sucked all the air out of the room and will probably be highly receptive to the notion that if we ‘get rid’ of 5% of people we can live in a utopia. If being in public means being in a space dominated by someone screaming at the demons they hallucinated then people will move to the suburbs instead of the downtown, they will not support public transit, they will order a private taxi for their burrito instead of eating out. They’ll retreat to Facebook.

gsf_emergency_6 an hour ago | parent [-]

Alternate institutions that turn the 5% into productive members (but not necessarily CEOs) would probably get Lasch's stamp of approval

defrost 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Particular to the US in many ways.

Not an issue for cheap / free public transport in many other countries mentioned.

Perhaps the manner in which the US deals with the distribution of income and basic human needs could use a few tweaks.

baggy_trough 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Alternately, the US is simply much more tolerant of dysfunction and antisocial behavior.

LosingFaith1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What do you mean made-up problem? This is an extremely common problem in many areas. Sketchy characters will definitely stay on the bus and create unsafe environments for the bus driver and the customer unless there are systems in place.

swatcoder 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They're not, and it's not really an HN thing to respond like you did. The guidelines ask you to assume best intent and engage in good faith.

Here good faith curiosity would have led you to where peer replies are pointing you: that free transit in big metros tends to come with loitering issues, and if they become too extreme, it can make the transit system pretty inhospitable and uninviting for the families and working people meant to be using it, undermining the purpose of making it free.

It's a genuine challenge that metros of a certain scale need to address, although the OP is maybe (or maybe not) wrong in assuming that it would be an issue in a fairly small/high-trust college metro like Iowa City. But, in best interpretation of their comment, that's why they were asking it as a question.

edm0nd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I dont think you have ever regularly rode a public bus before.

that is exactly what homeless people be doing.

baggy_trough 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you live in the real world or a utopian fantasy of your own making?