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Calculus for Mathematicians, Computer Scientists, and Physicists [pdf](mathcs.holycross.edu)
92 points by o4c 3 hours ago | 23 comments
qntty 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Writing a calculus book that's more rigorous than typical books is hard because if you go too hard, people will say that you've written a real analysis book and the point of calculus is to introduce certain concepts without going full analysis. This book seems to have at least avoided the trap of trying to be too rigorous about the concept of convergence and spending more time on introducing vocabulary to talk about functions and talking about intersections with linear algebra.

JJMcJ an hour ago | parent [-]

Anyway you've already got Apostol - if it's just calculus as such get an older edition. Modern ones have extra goodies like linear algebra but have modern text book pricing (cries softly in $150/volume).

zkmon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> the author’s wish to present ... mathematics, as intuitively and informally as possible, without compromising logical rigor

The books in the West in general kept getting less rigorous, with time. I don't see Asian or Russian books doing this. The audience getting less receptive to rigor and wishing for more visuals and informal talk. When they get to higher studies and research, would they be able to cope with steep curve of more formalism and rigor?

nabla9 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Russian books doing this.

Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning by A.D. Aleksandrov, A.N. Kolomogorov, M.A. Lavrent’ev,.. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/405880.Mathematics

It's still a masterpiece. Originally published in 1962 in 3 volumes. The English translation has all in one.

zozbot234 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you care about getting all the nitty gritty details of a "rigorous" proof, maybe the quicker approach is to install Lean on your computer and step through a machine-checked proof from Mathlib. What you get from even the most heavyweight math books is still quite far from showing you all the steps involved.

elcapitan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This may be a stupid question, but what do people usually mean when they refer to a mathematical text as being "rigorous"? Does it mean that everything is strictly proof-based rather than application-oriented?

actinium226 an hour ago | parent [-]

Generally that's what it means. And also when proofs are presented, a rigorous book will go through it fully, whereas a less rigorous one might just sketch out the main ideas of the proof and leave out some of the nitty gritty details (i.e. it's less rigorous to talk about "continuity" as "you can draw it without lifting the pen" as compared to the epsilon-delta definition, but epsilon-delta is pretty detailed and for intro calculus for non-mathematicians you don't really need it).

actinium226 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The books in the West in general kept getting less rigorous, with time.

I wonder if it's because more people are going to college who would have otherwise gone to a vocational or trade school? If the audience expands to include people who might not have studied calculus had they not chosen to go to college, I feel like textbooks have to change to accommodate that.

kardianos 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with this. But I don't see the students rejecting this, but the education degreed peoples who choose texts and the publishers want to make all learning for all people. This is foolish. Most people don't need to know calculus. And if you do learn it, do so with rigor so you actually learn it and not just the appearance of it, which is much much worse.

mjburgess 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nope, but mathematics research is one of the most rarefied fields being extremely difficlt to get into, hard to get money, etc. -- (this is my understanding, at least). Progress is made here by people who, aged 10 are already showing signs of capability.

There's not much need for a large amount of PhD places, and funding, for pure mathematics research.

Likewise, on the applied side, "calculus" now as a pure thing has been dead alone time. Gradients are computed with algorithms and numerical approximations, that are better taught -- with the formal stuff maintained via intuition.

I'm much more open to the idea that the west has this wrong, and we should be more focused on developing the applied side after spending the last century overly focused on the pure

mathattack 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Seems like a lot of different audiences. My observation is this is trying to cover 2 of the 3 common tracks:

1 - Proof based calculus for math majors

2 - Technique based calculus for hard science majors

3 - Watered down calculus for soft science and business majors (yes, there are a few schools that are exceptions to this)

If he can pull off unifying 1 and 2, good for him!

lanstin 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't think they are unifiable, the aims and methods one needs to learn are just too different. Limits of covering boxes and scaling your epsilons and so on, stuff from Tao's class on analysis is far away from being able to deal either non-trivial differential equations or stability analysis. You can prove all sorts of things about dense subspaces of Hilbert space and still get totally lost in multiple scale analysis, and vice versa. (Ed: epsilon was spelled espikon)

CamperBob2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a pretty diverse audience. Is this .pdf supposed to be a one-size-fits-all effort?

analog31 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm probably dating myself, but at my college, there was one calculus course for everybody. But also, a lot of the students in those areas had overlapping or double majors. For instance I majored in math and physics.

Perhaps the bigger question is whether it's at the right level of difficulty for the audience.

anikom15 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I think there are usually two: Calculus for scientists and engineers which is analytical and has lots of symbols, and Calculus for everyone else which is more practical.

Math majors might have their own. I also know they end up taking complex Calculus.

beezle 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Usually engineering/math calc and then a much less rigorous business/arts&crafts calc for the rest.

analog31 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Thinking about it, ours was a small college -- 2500 students. So there may have been a practical reason for everybody taking the same math courses. They were taught more as "service" courses for the sciences and engineering than as theoretical math courses. And the students who didn't need calculus typically satisfied their math requirement with a statistics course.

Complex analysis and real analysis were among the higher-level courses, attended mostly by math majors, with the proviso that there were a lot of double majors. That was where it got interesting.

The requirements for the physics major were only a handful of math credits shy of the math major.

garyfirestorm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is there a hard copy to purchase? I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

kalx 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How much math skills do you need to appreciate this book?

nightshift1 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

the Postscript at the end says:

While not every student is expected to read the book sequen- tially cover to cover, it is important to have the details in one place. Calculus is not a subject that can be learned in one pass. Indeed, this book nearly assumes readers have already had a year of calculus, as had the students of MAT 157Y. I hope this book will grow with its readers, remaining both readable and informative over multiple traversals, and that it provides a useful bridge between current calculus texts and more advanced real analysis texts.

analog31 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My first impression, paging through it, is that it's at a somewhat higher level than the typical college calculus course.

anthk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Get Zenlisp running too https://www.t3x.org/zsp/index.html and just have a look on how the (intersection) function it's defined.

Now you'll get things in a much easier way, for both programming and math.

belter an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This one is a hard pass. The book needs tighter editing and more rigorous reviewing.

It tries to serve all at once, but ends up in an awkward middle ground. Not deep enough to function as a real analysis text for Mathematicians, yet full of proofs that Scientists and Engineers do not care about, while failing to deliver the kind of practical rigor, those groups need when using calculus as a tool.