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ivraatiems 11 hours ago

There is a weird assumption people make that somebody as successful as Charli XCX isn't smart because her persona is "I like cocaine and partying," and then are surprised when she can express herself like this. Like she says: "Another thing about being a pop star is that you cannot avoid the fact that some people are simply determined to prove that you are stupid."

Making music at any professional level is extremely hard work. Touring and dancing and hosting shows is even harder. It requires a substantial intellectual capacity and stamina to achieve. You either have these things yourself, or you are propped up entirely by others who have them and are invested in you for money's sake. Given Charli XCX's background, it's not actually surprising that she, in fact, has all the talent, skill, and intellect required to do this stuff herself.

Editing to add: Another place to look to learn that people with this skillset often have very very deep inner lives is Dua Lipa's book club podcast (https://www.service95.com/tag/book-club). As someone who used to run these kinds of in-depth interviews, I can say, she is damn good at it.

bigmealbigmeal 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What you're saying is a very common "poptimist" trope of the last decade or two. To say that, actually, these vocalists are highly intelligent and largely responsible for their own success.

Charli XCX, like nearly all popstars, was propped up by the producers and writers who shaped her sound and composed large parts of the music. Producers have been there the whole way. In particular, her blowing up was highly influenced by the stylistic direction, composition, production and sound engineering of people associated with the PC Music record label. The statement that she had good enough taste to have been around these people is rather unfair -- she was around artistic innovators like Sophie, yes, but THEY are the ones that pioneered the sound.

The most common refrain is that popstars often write their music. This is misleading: they write the lyrics, suggest a general vibe, and some rough melodies or chords. And even this is a stretch many times. They are not composing or producing the music in any larger sense, and this is the pivotal part of actually making music.

One famous exception that comes to mind is Grimes, who largely actually /makes/ her own music. She rarely seems to get credit for this.

This is not to say that vocalist popstars don't bring a lot to the table. They do. But what they bring to the table is incredible performance skill and charisma. I think poptimism has gone too far, to the point that we think the product was responsible for creating itself.

jameslk 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Charli XCX is diverse and experimental enough that my first instinct would be to assume she’s rather intelligent. For example, her collaboration in the PC Music scene comes off rather nerdy and eccentric actually, not exactly pop. And her lyrics usually have more to it than meets the ear, e.g. sometimes intentionally being a commentary on the party persona keeping her distracted from worse things. “I hate the silence (uh oh), that's why the music's always loud”

Of course, that isn’t a shallow opinion so perhaps someone unfamiliar to her would think otherwise

Insanity 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Does she write her own lyrics? Or does someone else write those for her?

I’m not saying she is or isn’t intelligent, and either way she clearly is talented in some area of music, just wondering if she is a singer or singer/songwriter :)

thaumasiotes 4 hours ago | parent [-]

>> And her lyrics usually have more to it than meets the ear

> Does she write her own lyrics? Or does someone else write those for her?

Even when a singer is performing a song they didn't write, they're often doing that because the song appeals to them.

astrange 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> There is a weird assumption people make that somebody as successful as Charli XCX isn't smart because her persona is "I like cocaine and partying,"

Considering cocaine is both illegal and has an obviously unethical supply chain, you'd think someone would try, you know, prosecuting her or something.

ggm 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If she's prosecuted before a long queue of others, we'd be entitled to suggest the law is not being applied equally. Start a little higher up the food chain with the politicians.

astrange 9 hours ago | parent [-]

The politicians aren't announcing they use cocaine in public, are they? Even if some of them do sniff a lot on camera.

nekitamo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They’ve literally found cocaine at the White House and refused to persecute anyone for it. Rules for thee but not for me.

amanaplanacanal 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In a lot of places drug enforcement is being deprioritized, for good reason. Of course then you run into all the problems with only enforcing against people someone doesn't like.

XorNot 9 hours ago | parent [-]

One of my rules for travel is don't go to places where the laws are basically selectively not enforced for the convenience of tourists.

bigiain 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have a very similar rule, which is why I can no longer visit my family and friends in the US...

astrange 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Bali and Singapore will execute tourists for having drugs, so you can go there I guess.

walletdrainer 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

I’m not sure many tourists are traveling with quantities sufficient to qualify for that treatment.

More likely you’ll face a fine or a strong talking to if you get caught at the airport with some small quantity of pot.

russelg 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's the point of prosecuting users?

pinkmuffinere 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wonder if I'm missing some sarcasm, but I feel I need to clarify that "I like cocaine and partying" is her _persona_, it isn't necessarily true. It's largely marketing. I feel this was the main point of the article, lol.