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mytailorisrich 2 hours ago

This is a very strange take, like high school politics. Ultimately the only way to "change the entire market philosophy" for the result you suggest is called the USSR. That's how it ends and then it decays and collapses.

As long as people have individual freedom, both in what they can buy and in what they can create companies which don't have products that people want and don't make a profit to survive and thrive will go under.

It is strange amd concerning to read all this socialist ideology in 2025. I get it's not uncommon in young people as a "phase" but I think it's also because younger generations don't know what it means because they never saw it.

anigbrowl 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The whole article documents a product that people do want and like so much that they're willing to donate 4x what the owner-operators of the company asked for.

It's odd to see you expressing disdain for 'high school politics' and 'because younger generations don't know' while also displaying such ignorance or disregard of the subject matter, like watching factual waves roll in and dash themselves on the rocks of obdurate opinion.

powerclue 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You realize there's an entire spectrum of socialist ideology between liberalism and authoritarian planned economies, yeah? It's not a Boolean, and it's not a slippery slope. We could have broadly liberal markets owned and run by the workers, and without the authoritarianism.

mytailorisrich an hour ago | parent [-]

This is a slippery slope... The comment I replied to is an example of that: specifically on this aspect, it doesn't really matter whether a company is owned and run by the workers (we can have thay today and we do), but if it operates in a free market then it has to compete. Wishing that there wasn't competition is the slippery slope that ends badly, always.

Obviously mandating workers-ownership is authoritarian in itself.

Socialism can indeed only ends one way and that is the removal of individual freedoms.

anigbrowl 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Wishing that there wasn't competition is the slippery slope

Nobody is doing that. The article specifically mentions pursuing opportunities in the export market.

Obviously mandating workers-ownership is authoritarian in itself.

The workers bought out the previous owners, presumably due to frustration with the firm having had 4 near-collapses in the last 20 years under the capitalistic management approach.Your objections seem conditioned rather than considered; did you actually think any of this through, or are just just reacting to concepts that make you uncomfortable while overlooking the facts?

shkkmo 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> but if it operates in a free market then it has to compete

There is no such thing as an actual "free market", nor should there be. Markets need rules to operate otherwise you get fraud and "unhealthy" competition like sabotage and assassinations.

> Socialism can indeed only ends one way and that is the removal of individual freedoms.

That's like saying that capitalism only ends one way and that is slavery.

In reality, there is no inherently slippery slope in either direction. There is a spectrum of ways to aporoach market regulation and individual freedom with various tradeoffs.

Blind partisan rhetoric like yours doesn't help uncover what those tradeoffs are so we can make good decisions. Instead it spreads ignorance and division.