What I really don't like about thread/matter is that it is becoming the de-facto standard that thread border routers are connected to the internet.

This will in time result in IoT devices that actually mandate this connection (it was already stipulated in a recent version of the protocol). The end result will be that a new protocol was created, but rather than devices being able to run on their own, we end up with beds in heating mode, ie. the garbage we were trying to avoid in the first place.

So for me, zigbee it is!

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dwaite 5 hours ago | parent [-]

A lot of zigbee infrastructure also expect an internet connection.

These border routers also double as admins, and people want their smart home stuff to be available while they are outside their home network.

Thread devices can mandate internet connectivity the same way Wifi devices can.

Matter defines profiles and does certification that says your light bulbs cannot require an internet connection. The admin your water leak detector connects into can (and arguably should) alert you even when you are away from home, but the leak detector _itself_ cannot do that and be certified.

	▲	moogly an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> A lot of zigbee infrastructure also expect an internet connection. Like what. I have several hundred zigbee devices of almost all category you can think of, and I have never come across such a requirement. I don't understand how that would even work.