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epistasis 5 hours ago

It is a weird form of centralized planning. Except there's no election to get on to the central committee, it's like in the Soviet era where you had to run in the right circles and have sway in them.

There's too much group-think in the executive class. Too much forced adoption of AI, too much bandwagon hopping.

The return-to-office fad is similar, a bunch of executives following the mandates of their board, all because there's a few CEOs who were REALLY worked up about it and there was a decision that workers had it too easy. Watching the executive class sacrifice profits for power is pretty fascinating.

Edit: A good way to decentralize the power and have better decision making would be to have less centralized rewards in the capital markets. Right now are living through a new gilded age with a few barons running things, because we have made the rewards too extreme and too narrowly distributed. Most market economics assumes that there's somewhat equal decision making power amongst the econs. We are quickly trending away from that.

themafia 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> There's too much group-think in the executive class.

I think this is actually the long tail of "too big to fail." It's not that they're all thinking the same way, it's that they're all no longer hedging their bets.

> we have made the rewards too extreme and too narrowly distributed

We give the military far too much money in the USA.

makeitdouble 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

> We give the military far too much money in the USA.

~ themafia, 2025

(sorry)

On a more serious note the military is sure a money burning machine, but IMHO it's only government spending, when most of the money in the US is deliberately private.

The fintech sector could be a bigger representation of a money vacuuming system benefiting statistically nobody ?

kace91 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The funniest thing is that somehow the executive class is even more out of touch than they used to be.

At least before there was a certain common baseline derived from everyone watching the same news and reading the same press. Now they are just as enclosed in their thought bubbles as everyone else. It is entirely possible for a tech CEO to have a full company of tech workers despising the current plan and yet that person being constantly reinforced by linkedin and chatgpt.

automatic6131 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We need better antitrust and anti-monopoly enforcement. Break up the biggest companies, and then they'll have to actually participate in markets.

epistasis 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This was Lina Khan's big thing, and I'd argue that our current administration is largely a result of Silicon Valkey no longer being able to get exits in the form or mergers and IPOs.

Perhaps a better approach to anti-monopoly and anti-trust is possible, but I'm not sure anybody knows what that is. Khan was very well regarded and I don't know anybody who's better at it.

Another approach would be a wealth and income taxation strategy to ensure sigmoid income for the population. You can always make more, but with diminishing returns to self, and greater returns to the rest of society.

sharts 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

a better approach might be to farming out shares to stakeholders. that seems a lot more dynamic and self-correcting than periodic taxation battles after the fact

CamperBob2 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Khan was largely ineffectual. The current administration, if it can be blamed on SV at all, is more likely to be the result of Harris's insanely ill-timed proposal to tax unrealized capital gains just as election season was kicking into high gear.

adgjlsfhk1 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

IMO Khan was by far the best we've had in at least 2 decades. Her FCC even got a judge to rule to break up Google! The biggest downside Khan had was being attached to a 1 term president. There's just not that many court cases against trillion dollar companies you can take from investigation to winning the appeal on in 4 years

Aloisius an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Samsung lost a large percentage of market share to their competitors in the last couple years, so I'm pretty sure they already have to participate in markets.

Well, assuming they haven't revived the cartel.

fpoling 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think a better solution is exponential tax on a company size. I.e. once a company starts to earn above, say, 1 billion, it will be taxed by income by ever increasing amount. Or put it another way, use taxes to break the power law and winner takes effect all into a Gaussian distribution of company sizes.

AnthonyMouse 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> I think a better solution is exponential tax on a company size. I.e. once a company starts to earn above, say, 1 billion, it will be taxed by income by ever increasing amount.

This is in the right spirit but you want two things to be different about it.

The first is that the threshold for a given industry doesn't make sense as a dollar amount, it makes sense as a market share percentage. Having more than 15% market share should be a thing companies don't want, regardless of whether it's a $100 trillion industry or a $100 million one.

And the second is that taxes create a perverse incentive for the government. You absolutely do not want the government to have even more of a financial incentive to sustain and create more of the companies of that size. What you want is to have fewer of them.

So, what you want is a rule that if a company has more than 15% market share, the entire general public is allowed to sue them into bankruptcy for the offense of market consolidation. Which also removes the problem where they buy off the government prosecutors, because if they commit the offense then anybody can sue them.

philipkglass 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This would permanently increase DRAM prices. Memory fabricators either earn billions of dollars in income each year or they can't keep going. There are no little Mom and Pop businesses that can do photolithography on leading process nodes.

octoberfranklin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Nonsense, it would force vertical de-integration.

Chip fabs used to be like book publishers; you don't have to own a printing press to be an author. Carver Mead even described his vision of the industry that way.

Nowadays you have to get your cell libraries and a large chunk of your toolchain from the fab. Of course it's laundered through cadence+synopsys, but it's still coming from the fab. You have to buy your masks from the fab (heck they aren't even allowed to leave the fab so do you really own them?). And on and on.

For the record I don't agree with the "exponential" part, but otherwise this is an underappreciated and powerful technique.

philipkglass 2 hours ago | parent [-]

In another comment you proposed a sane version of the parent proposal. I wouldn't have commented if fpoling had originally floated that scheme. I was mainly objecting to drastically increasing taxes "once a company starts to earn above, say, 1 billion" without regard for the minimum viable scale of different businesses.

Terr_ 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is that revenue, or profit? If revenue, it'll slam certain kinds of high-volume low-profit businesses, and if it's profit then the company will just arrange to have big compensation "expenses" for executives.

The latter would have to be backstopped by taxes on individual income.

octoberfranklin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The sane version of this proposal omits the "exponential" part, applies to profits (net income), and makes the tax rate industry-specific (just like Washington State's revenue tax).

Hikikomori an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Set limits so the top cant earn more than x times the lowest paid in the company then.

logancbrown 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah yes, the same tax mentality that is working great for EU innovation.

wqaatwt 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Corporate taxes specifically were quite high by European standards until 2027 and are not relatively that low today either

gruez an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>It is a weird form of centralized planning [...]

It's a form of "centralized planning", except it's not centralized at all.

wat10000 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is why I think taxes on the very wealthy should be so high that billionaires can't happen. The usual reasons are either about raising revenue or are vague ideas about inequality. It doesn't raise enough revenue to matter, and inequality is a fairly weak justification by itself.

But the power concentration is a strong reason. That level of wealth is incompatible with democracy. Money is power, and when someone accumulates enough of it to be able to personally shake entire industries, it's too much.

smallmancontrov 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you get paid for being rich in proportion to how rich you are -- because that's how assets work -- it turns into an exponential, runs away, and concentrates power until something breaks.

sharts 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

how is this centralized planning? It’s a corporate decision making operating in a free market to optimize for what majority shareholders want (though the majority of shares are owned by few).

wat10000 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Your parenthetical is how. It's not completely centralized, but it is being decided by a very small number of people.

xpe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the implied thought (?) is there is a similarity between central planning and oligopoly bandwagoning. To my eye, the causes and dynamics are different enough to warrant bucketing them separately.

scotty79 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Every corporation is a (not so) little pocket of centrally planned economy.

The only saving grace is that it can die and others will scoop up released resources.

When country level planned economy dies, people die and resources get destroyed.

xpe an hour ago | parent [-]

> Every corporation is a (not so) little pocket of centrally planned economy.

This is confused. Here is how classical economists would frame it: a firm chooses how much to produce based on its cost structure and market prices, expanding production until marginal cost equals marginal revenue. This is price guided production optimization, not central planning.

The dominant criticism of central planning is trying to set production quantities without prices. Firms (generally) don’t do this.

ohsoSad 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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