| ▲ | hirvi74 a day ago |
| I can't bring myself to try an SSRI. I just cannot do it. I've got a prescription for an NDRI on my desk, and I still won't take it. I am not anti-psychiatry either. I take psychiatric medication for a different condition already. But something about anti-depressants just doesn't sit well with me. As crazy as it may sound, I think a lot of my depression stems from living a life that is not true to myself and due to countless failed attempts to be someone I cannot never be. As far as I am concerned, depression is just a symptom of my situation and not some true disorder. For the sake of analogy, I would say it's like food poisoning. Yes, the GI issues are awful, but the body is responding appropriately. |
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| ▲ | sundarurfriend a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| > I've got a prescription for an NDRI on my desk, and I still won't take it. ... something about anti-depressants just doesn't sit well with me. At first it sounded like your antipathy was with SSRIs specifically (which I largely share), but it seems like it's anti-depressants in general. FWIW, I used to think similar to you, and roughly agree with the gist of your second paragraph, but I've come to think of antidepressants as useful in a specific way: people say "it's a crutch" as a negative thing (about a lot of things including antidepressants), but a crutch was very useful to me when recovering from a fracture, and helped me enormously with my progress; similarly, even if "depression is just a symptom of my situation", it can and does often lead to a cycle where the depression itself feeds into the situation and in turn sustains itself. An antidepressant that works for you is a good way to be able to see things more clearly, feel the motivation and insight that depression clouds out, and thus be able to break out of the cycle. It doesn't have to be a "cure" that counters a disorder, it can be a tool that you use for its purpose and then throw away (and it does sound like you're well-motivated to do that). |
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| ▲ | anuramat 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > not some true disorder there's a tool on your desk that might help you solve your problem; what does it matter if the problem is an "appropriate response of your body"? so is pain/anxiety/diarrhea |
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| ▲ | cj 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > stems from living a life that is not true to myself and due to countless failed attempts to be someone I cannot never be. If this is their mindset, they might benefit from CBT more than medication. I'm not against SSRI at all. But after taking them for a few months in my 20's, and experiencing how terrible the withdrawal symptoms are when stopping, I'd be very hesitant to ever start up on them again. I remember having to open up the lowest dose pill capsule and splitting the dose into very tiny increments to be able to wean off completely. | | |
| ▲ | hirvi74 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm the GP of this comment chain. I actually did a 16 week long trial of CBT with a professional where my symptoms were tracked during each week. I actually ended the 16 weeks worse than before I started. I later learned that CBT can have that effect on people with ADHD, so I attribute that to being a possible explanation. I still do therapy, but honestly, I think it's a waste of time and money. I predominantly do it for cathartic purposes and so other people/professionals will stop recommending it. > terrible the withdrawal symptoms are when stopping I tried one when I was in my early 20s too. I swore I would never take one again. Withdrawals weren't my issue really. It was the clarity I gained after getting off. I realized how awful I was to people around me. I had such blunted emotions, that I basically became devoid of empathy. I also learned that I needed high levels of anxiety to function, which the medication took away from me. |
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| ▲ | 331c8c71 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm with you on this. People who pathologize themselves or others - assuming they're malfunctioning rather than acknowledging they might simply be living a life that doesn't fit - have a very limited way of looking at things. |
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| ▲ | BeetleB 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > As crazy as it may sound, I think a lot of my depression stems from living a life that is not true to myself and due to countless failed attempts to be someone I cannot never be. As far as I am concerned, depression is just a symptom of my situation and not some true disorder. It's true for some, but be wary of such a generalization. It took many years of people telling me the same thing before I understood what they were saying: "Having an objectively crappy life is normal. Being depressed about it isn't." (Almost) everyone will have problems - temporary or permanent. And while they may feel down about it for a while, or occasionally, most of them more or less recover their mental health and are not chronically depressed. Because the majority of people have problems, it becomes easy for a depressed person to think "Ah, this is just due to problem X" or even "This is just because I want a life different from mine". Most people with problems also want a different life than what they have. But they're not depressed. |
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| ▲ | hirvi74 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > be wary of such a generalization. My mistake. I should have worded what I wrote differently. I meant to say "not some true disorder for me." > Having an objectively crappy life is normal. Being depressed about it isn't. Not sure I can agree on this though. Rates of depression are quite high in institutions like prisons, for example. Especially in solitary confinement. Of course, I am not in prison, but I do believe the environment plays a larger role in depression than many are willing to admit. This is not my first rodeo with depression. I'm in my early 30s, and this is probably my 5th or 6th time. I won't go into the details of those periods, but I almost didn't make it through a few of them. > Ah, this is just due to problem X Why is this outside the realm of possibility though? I believe depression is just a catch-all term for negative states that are too abstract to treat. If one is in a bad environment or unsatisfied in life, then a doctor cannot really do much to treat that. However, pills can be given to make people numb enough to their circumstances that they no longer care. Though, perhaps that lack of care is enough that people can actually benefit? I mean, with SSRIs, the lows of life are diminished as are the highs of life, one might gain significant weight, and have a host of other issues like low libido, erectile dysfunction, anorgimasa, etc., but at least they aren't depressed... If anything, I think of antidepressants like opioids. Opioids do not treat pain -- the pain is still there -- one just can't feel it. | |
| ▲ | NoMoreNicksLeft 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > "Having an objectively crappy life is normal. Being depressed about it isn't." Sounds like a philosophy more than a science. What does "normal" even mean in this context? Are we talking about something measurable? For instance, if the number of people who were depressed about those circumstances doubled (or quadrupled) would it then be normal, and there would be no reason to treat it (because it's normal)? If you have an objectively crappy life, but not just ignore it and instead are incapable of even noticing, that sounds a little like dysfunction to me. It's not some superpower, it's a micro-lobotomy. | | |
| ▲ | BeetleB 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > If you have an objectively crappy life, but not just ignore it and instead are incapable of even noticing Noticing it is very different from being depressed about it. > What does "normal" even mean in this context? Are we talking about something measurable? Let's take a trivial example. Person A is depressed because he is unhappy that he doesn't make enough money to travel and buy nice cars. Now take all the people who are unhappy that they cannot afford to travel and buy nice cars. Most will not be depressed - they will merely be unhappy about it. Person A isn't depressed because he can't travel and buy nice cars. He's depressed and he can't travel and buy nice cars. He's mistakenly coupling the two. Another tell for these kinds of things: Ever know someone chronically depressed who blames it on X? Then somehow, X is resolved. There may be a temporary improvement, and they go back to being depressed again, only they now blame it on Y? Somehow Y gets resolved and some months later they're blaming it on Z. Everyone has problems. Including those who are not depressed. Fixing X, Y, Z, AA, AB, and whatever else is not going to take care of the depression. On the flip side, people who do not suffer from depression make the same mistake: They claim they are not depressed because they "choose" not to let the problems get to them. Self serving beliefs! |
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| ▲ | agumonkey 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| SSRI can have annoyances (to stay polite) if you ever need a fix so much that you go that route, be sure to ask about them. Didn't help me really but I believe that sometimes, a bit of chemical (placebo or not) relief can help staying afloat enough to work your way back up quicker. I understand your comment, my issues were due to life circumstances and not a low level neurological imbalance, and I too dismissed these treatments almost entirely, mostly because they felt like blanket solutions from medical professionals who didn't really listen to symptoms. |
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| ▲ | hirvi74 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > medical professionals who didn't really listen to symptoms Even if they did listen to me, what else can they do? They aren't going to apply to new jobs for me, find friends and hobbies for me, etc.. To the men with pills, every issue looks like a disorder. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > *depression is just a symptom of my situation and not some true disorder+ There is a great Bojack Horseman episode in which Diane struggles with the idea of taking antidepressants for similar reasons. If it’s depression, that’s closer to allergies, chronic inflammation or a broken bone healed wrong than vomiting after food poisoning. |
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| ▲ | abraxas 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Depression is almost never caused by actual life circumstance - just by your response and usually a delayed response. Also you should try your SSRI prescription. They really aren't very strong drugs. You might get mild relief or if you're like me and the majority of people you will see no effect whatsoever. It's worth a try anyway. You won't get "high" or "dull" or any of that nonsense. At best it will lift your mood a bit. But more often than not, just won't do anything. |
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| ▲ | hirvi74 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, all the n number of times I have been depressed in the past have been resolved by a change in life circumstances, so perhaps I am just an outlier? > SSRI prescription I'm supposed to take an NDRI (Bupropion) and not an SSRI, which is kind of like Ritalin or cocaine. The problem is that I already take amphetamines every single day, so I am not sure why this is really the one my doctors settled on. In fact, they told me that if my blood pressure increases anymore that I am to stop the medication immediately and then contact them. So, that's not really inspiring a lot of motivation in me. | |
| ▲ | jacobgkau 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Also you should try your SSRI prescription. They really aren't very strong drugs. You might get mild relief or if you're like me and the majority of people you will see no effect whatsoever. It's worth a try anyway. Someone else in the thread's testifying with personal experience that there were significant withdrawl symptoms after only a few months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45999622#46008522 Are they lying, or are you misrepresenting something? | | |
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| ▲ | burnt-resistor a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| One needs to not work and be able to remain at home for about a week or so to see if the side-effects are manageable. One shouldn't simply continue on with operating machinery or working a job while titrating up a new psychiatric medication. Honestly, employers should offer medical time off for this. |