> pushing borderline indoctrination of controversial, left-ish values

I wonder what sort of values they’re indoctrinating their kids with instead.

nphardon an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The right has reduced left-ish values to like the basics of humanity; essentially if schools are not actively teaching hate then they are leftist. I don't think the U.S. really has a liberal / leftist culture at all compared to Europe.

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binary132 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yeah, it would be crazy if people were allowed to raise their own children with their own values. we can’t have that.

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patall 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Did anyone argue that you are not allowed to teach your kids your own values? It seems to me, the question is more: do you want to raise your kids without ever exposing them to values that are not your own? Opinion Bubbles have been increasing for a long time, do we really want to grow them even more? Social media is full of people left and right that seem to have no idea about the opinions and realities at the other end of the spectrum.

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llbeansandrice 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is this not possible while exposing children to a variety of view points from different sources or does it require that children are not exposed to certain perspectives at all?

The original comment makes a very bold claim of "indoctrination" of an entirely undefined set of values.

There has been no evidence that exposing children to this (undefined and buzzwordy) set of values means that they can't be raised according to other values.

I find this idea pretty wild to encounter on HN which is generally focused on open source and widely available information so that people can educate themselves is suddenly gone in a puff of smoke and some buzzwords when talking about educating the most curious minds in the world.

Define the values. Cite sources that this is "indoctrination" and not simply exposing viewpoints. Then maybe we can have a productive discussion.

	▲	ryandrake 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Define the values. Cite sources that this is "indoctrination" and not simply exposing viewpoints. Then maybe we can have a productive discussion. They're never going to do this, because it's not actually happening, at least not to a significant degree. They will keep their wording vague, not show examples, and basically just repeat variations of "Trust me, bro.. this indoctrination is happening. It's clear as day. You need to see the real world, bro."

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jimmygrapes a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I expected this comment coming into the thread. I would just like to point out that there is a huge range of options between those two extremes!

If is entirely possible to teach up a child to be curious AND well rounded in the basics (see also concepts of Trivarium and Quadrivium, sorry can't link the references atm).

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mcphage a day ago | parent [-]

> there is a huge range of options between those two extremes!

Which two extremes would those be?

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echelon_musk 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Presumably the extremes of left and right?

	▲	jen20 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		(Which are, of course, far more similar than people that identify with either extreme would ever admit).