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monero-xmr a day ago

SSRIs literally saved my life, no question about it. Night and day difference, from daily panic attacks destroying my life, happiness, and career, to being almost completely better in 2 weeks after starting. I tried exercise and diet and meditation and you name it, for years!, before I gave medication a go.

Do not care what the science says. It 100% worked for me. Please get help if you need it, tens of millions of people use this medicine successfully

Articles like this are part of the narrative that SSRIs in general are no better than placebo. Absolutely not true for me!

fgonzag a day ago | parent | next [-]

Same here, after struggling for 39 years, glp-1 + SSRI + ADHD meds have made me a normal productive human, and 2 years ago I had pretty much given up on the possibility.

Having a child forced me to fix my life, and I'm incredibly happy because of it.

ipnon a day ago | parent | next [-]

Pharmacology and chemistry can really make the world a better place.

331c8c71 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yoir choice between the red pill, the blue pill or no pill is pretty obvious but this choice is highly subjective.

djohnston a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Evidently not for children with depression. But yes chemistry is great.

thebigspacefuck a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What’s normal anyway?

IAmBroom 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think that's a shorthand for "not dysfunctional and neurotically impaired".

fgonzag 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

For me? Not being hyper anxious all day (to the point that I just freeze and procrastinate all day), being able to sort of focus on the most important task (I'm still ADHD with 1000 unfinished projects, but at least I finish the things that have to be finished), eating healthy and enjoying exercising (100 lbs down and got quite good at tennis), not entering into a rage state due to anxiety overflow everytime I fight with my wife, being able to regulate my emotions, I could go on and on honestly.

floundy a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Who would have figured that microdosing amphetamines all day leads to increased productivity?

MattRix a day ago | parent | next [-]

This seems a little snarky. For someone with ADHD it’s not as much about “increased” productivity but rather non-zero productivity.

hirvi74 a day ago | parent [-]

As someone with ADHD, if your productivity was decreased or did not increase in the slightest, then I doubt a doctor would keep prescribing the medication. Such increases do not have to be astronomically large, but I do believe increasing the productivity of people with ADHD is absolutely part of the benefit.

MattRix 13 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree, but I think you’re misunderstanding my comment. I was replying to a snarky comment that seemed to imply that the effect of taking amphetamines is obvious and mundane.

The point I was trying to make is that the effect on someone with ADHD can be profound and transformative, not like going from 80 to 100 but rather from 0 to 100. You suddenly feel like a functional person (I say this as someone with ADHD).

zer00eyz a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

See: The dot com boom and its recovery into Web 2.0

It was so pervasive at the time that the references to it spilled over into SF Bay Area hip hop culture...

pessimizer a day ago | parent [-]

Massive amounts of cocaine did the same for the housing bubble in the 2000s.

hirvi74 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Doctors. That is why they prescribe it.

flatline a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have tried prozac in my teens and zoloft in my 30s. Prozac made me dissociate pretty hard, I found myself between classes not knowing where I was coming from or going. Zoloft did nothing but give me the zaps when I came off it.

There have been some serious efforts made to reproduce the original groundbreaking results that showed how effective SSRIs were, without much success. Anecdotally, I know plenty of people who have benefited from them, so I would not say they are ineffective as a blanket statement. I do think it’s important to understand that nobody really knows how these drugs will impact any one individual, and it’s trial and error to find something that may help.

jacobgkau 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Had you tried a placebo without knowing that it was a placebo? No? Then your story's irrelevant to whether the medication's working (yes, even on you) any better than a placebo would.

BlackjackCF a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it’s important to note the headline that it’s specifically about children. Maybe Prozac is effective for adults but not kids in that range?

funkychicken a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hopefully people don’t see articles like this (for depression) and think the results are the same for anxiety disorders.

IAmBroom 11 hours ago | parent [-]

THIS!

SSRIs have been proven to be very effective against anxiety disorders, which in many ways mimic depression, but have different pathologies and causes.

Also, they saved me.

chemotaxis a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Placebo works very well for many people too! That's precisely the thing. That's what makes these studies tricky.

If you're a doctor, and if Prozac helps your patients, then it's obviously excellent. You should keep writing prescriptions.

If you're a scientist, you obviously want to distinguish between "real" drugs and drugs that help because people believe they should. So, you do these kinds of tests.

And then, from the perspective of ethics, once you know it's just placebo, you kinda shouldn't keep giving it to people, even if it helps? Maybe? I don't know. That's the weird part.

sitharus a day ago | parent [-]

> And then, from the perspective of ethics, once you know it's just placebo, you kinda shouldn't keep giving it to people, even if it helps?

That's a very big ethical question in the medical field. Placebos _do_ help, but only if people believe they will. So is it ethical to lie to a patient and give them a placebo knowing it's likely to help?

thomassmith65 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This seems like bias against the placebo effect.

gexla a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Spitballing here. I always understood stuff like this as "the system doesn't care about you, it cares about the masses." If the result is overwhelmingly looking no better than a placebo, then the small number of people it actually helps is sort of irrelevant. The exception might be cases where people are willing to drop a bomb of cash for lifesaving drugs for rare diseases (Pharma Bro got a lot of flack for massively jacking up the price of one of these drugs.) I don't know what implications such a study may have in a complex space. I imagine the drug will still be available for those who want to try, but far less prescribed as a sort of safe default. I doubt drug companies will care much for this, since the patent has long expired.

thebigspacefuck a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You should have tried placebo first

carabiner 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Articles like this are part of the narrative that SSRIs in general are no better than placebo. Absolutely not true for me!

Does "placebo" mean "no effect" to some people? Placebo absolutely has an effect. Testimonies like this are on the level of "vaccines caused autism" pseudoscience and the serotonin theory of depression isn't even taught any more. It belongs in the bin of crackpot treatments like chiropractic. There is zero chance Prozac would receive FDA approval today.