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cool_dude85 2 hours ago

>Wild - whoever did this should lose their job.

Why's that? Because a guy who's apparently friends with the owner of the company that produces these things told you that it saves emissions? Doesn't it seem reasonable to verify these claims?

appreciatorBus 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of course we should verify such claims.

Just as we should also verify claims that every regulation that has ever been written into law is by definition Good (tm) and can never be questioned.

It's possible for the friend of the company owner to astroturf an online form to get a good regulation eliminated, just because it didn't benefit him.

It's also possible for the such wealthy individuals to astrotruf in favour of bad regulations, just because it would benefit him.

samdoesnothing 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The null hypothesis is that interventions are just as if not more likely to cause harm than do good.

aidenn0 an hour ago | parent [-]

Aren't regulations a form of intervention?

samdoesnothing 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah thats my point.

some_random 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No that doesn't seem reasonable at all if it's been proven to work _really well_ in several configurations and there's no particular reason to expect that the results would be drastically different in other very similar configurations.

cool_dude85 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Who proved it works really well in several configurations?

squigz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And how do you codify the threshold for what "very similar" configurations don't need to be tested and those that do?

XorNot an hour ago | parent [-]

That's what regulatory exemption procedures exist for, and it would be the logical next step if you had convincing hard data.

Every single regulatory process has them, so the fact that this very ranty article omits any mention of an attempt to use them is highly suspect.

I've worked with plenty of systems where for all sorts of reasons exemptions are granted for the express purpose of promoting innovation or recognizing a special circumstance.

shortrounddev2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Some kind of testing should be required but 27mil seems egregious

ehnto an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah why does the certification process cost so much is one question I have. Would this be a conversation if the cost of the test were more reasonable?