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layer8 8 hours ago

This is based on Wi-Fi Aware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Alliance#Wi-Fi_Aware

Some background: https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-...

On the Apple side, this was prompted by the EU Digital Markets Act: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/questions-and-answe...

jjtech 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'm pretty sure this is just incorrect. According to the linked report[1], they tested it for compatibility with OpenDrop, so I think they simply implemented AWDL.

That might also explain the limited Pixel 10 rollout, if it required a specific WiFi chipset/firmware.

[1] https://www.netspi.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/google-fea...

felipeerias 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was experimenting with this technology almost a decade ago as part of my work as interaction designer:

https://darker.ink/writings/Mobile-design-with-device-to-dev...

It has a lot of potential but unfortunately it has been kept back until now by lack of support and interoperability.

ricardobeat 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Waayy back in 2009 we had Bump [1], which allowed transfer between devices and later web apps as well – by banging your phone against the spacebar. It worked 98% of the time and was faster than AirDrop is today, even though we only had 3G.

Google acquired it and immediately killed it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_(application)

varenc 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Bump didn't use direct device-to-device communication. A central server correlated the two bumping phones, based on geolocation and accelerometer data, then swapped the data via the server. At least that's how it worked in the early days. (Wiki page confirms)

Since it's relying on your internet connection, skeptical it'd be faster than AirDrop for a large amount of data like photos. But for swapping contacts I bet it was faster since it didn't have to spend time establishing a new direct connection.

0xfaded 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Waaay back when in Japan, sekigaisen (infrared) was a verb meaning to transfer contact details or photos or whatever between phones via infrared. It was amazing how fast the iPhone took over Japan and killed off their quirky phone ecosystem.

Edit: want to emphasize that it was totally ubiquitous. Every phone has it

ehnto 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I remember being blown away by the Gameboy Colour IR link. You could use it to trade Pokemon. That makes a bit more sense now if sekigaisen was already a popular ecosystem.

parl_match 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yes, "beaming" in the us was also used for quite a while. as in IR beam

japanese phones were buggy, feature packed monstrosities. a bunch of companies fighting to check as many boxes as they could. it's not a surprise that they got wiped out by an attempt to make a holistic internet communicator.

but for a while, there was nothing like them and their ability to get information on the internet

vel0city an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

My friends in school would send ringtones, wallpapers, and other small files through Bluetooth. It normally worked pretty well no matter the device.

jmb99 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can almost guarantee it wasn’t faster than airdrop (when it works) is today. I remember using bump on wifi, and it was limited to (shocking) wifi speeds at the time. I have as recently as last week transferred 1GB video files in under 20 seconds using airdrop. That simply was not possible in 2009.

nickphx an hour ago | parent [-]

airdrop uses wifi direct... so

Affric 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bump was like magic.

The only app I have ever truly thought “this is the future”

lgvld an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Very cool, didn't know such app had existed, thank you! Wanted to use a similar approach to connect people in a smaller friends-only social network.

josephg 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is great! I notice that’s on the ditto blog. I can see why the ditto developers are watching with keen eyes!

I have a modern digital camera complete with wifi and bluetooth. There’s an app that lets me connect the camera to my iPhone for monitoring, remote shooting and copying photos. Very useful! But right now the only way for the camera to connect to my phone is through some super complicated song and dance, involving my phone requesting a connection over Bluetooth, then the camera running a wifi access point that my phone connects to (during which time my phone disconnects from my home wifi). It’ll be wonderful when my camera can use wifi aware instead, and this can all happen instantly, without permission prompts and without booting me off wifi in the process.

madeofpalk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is it actually? Apple supports AirDrop over Wi-Fi Aware? Any source or confirmation?

tkel 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pretty sure that ditto article is written by AI ... there's an entire section dedicated to the imagined 5.0 spec..

pzo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's interesting that apple released 3rd party Wi-Fi Aware SDK for iOS and iPadOS but no for MacOS...

praseodym 4 hours ago | parent [-]

MacOS doesn’t have a gatekeeper status in the Digital Markets Act (DMA), so Apple doesn’t need to provide it. This shows that they only provide the SDK because of regulatory pressure, and try to maintain their vendor lock-in where possible.

manquer 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not necessarily, Since 2015 launch NAN has been vaporware outside android, nobody else support it. Windows does not do so today either [1].

In Linux iw and the new cfg80211 NAN module has support for some hardware. There are few chips in desktop/laptop ecosystem that have the feature, but it is hard to know which ones today, it is more common not to have support than to.

AFAIK no major distros include UI based support that regular users can use. Most Chromebooks do not have the hardware to support, ChromeOS[2] did not have support OOB, so even Google does not implement it for all their devices in the first place.

For Apple to implement is easier than Microsoft or Google given their vertical control, but not simple even if they wanted to. They may still need a hardware update/change and they typically rollout few versions of the hardware first before they announce support so most people have access to it, given the hardware refresh cycle it is important for basic user experience which is why people buy Apple. What is the point if you cannot share with most users because they don't have latest hardware? Average user will try couple of times and never use it again because it doesn't "work".

Sometimes competing standards / lack of compliance are political play for control of the standards not about vendor lock-in directly. Developers are the usual casualties in these wars, rather than end users directly. Webdevs been learning that since JScript in the mid 90s.

All this to say, as evidences go this is weak for selective compliance due to regulatory pressure.

[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/2284386/...

[2] I haven't checked recently

saubeidl 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you for the pro-consumer regulation, EU.

wiseowise 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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lnxg33k1 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Apple is going to leave the EU market anytime now, and US is even a bigger market, they didn't leave EU and will for sure not leave US, they could be a positive force for the world instead of just saying "noooo but the rich will leave uuuus"

thewebguyd 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Apple will never leave the EU market, that would be a stupid decision. EU is barely smaller than the US market if looking at GDP per capita, it's only a difference of ~$16,000. If looking at population, EU is larger than the US.

Hopefully they keep cracking open the walls of Apple's garden and Apple stops region locking the changes to just those markets.

lnxg33k1 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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npteljes 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I read the comment several times, and I can't figure out your intent, or the message, because of how much it's coded in doublespeak. That might also be what trips others up.

lnxg33k1 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Don't you think that "They didn't leave the EU, and surely not leave US [if they start regulating]"?

Makes it clear?

Background sentiment, US politicians always justify not regulating due to the "fear" of corpos leaving?

npteljes 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I didn't catch on to that at all. I even wrote my own comment, but seeing your reaction to the other guys' comments, I have re-read your original, and frankly, couldn't figure it out. I have asked ChatGPT and it decoded your intent correctly, and even seeing that, I couldn't reconcile it with the comment itself.

They say that a lot of communication is lost over text. I'm sure I could have caught the sarcasm if we spoke in real life, but in this textual form, it was completely lost to me, and it seems that for the other commenters as well.

pxc 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your previous comment in this thread doesn't even form a sentence. It's unintelligible.

JLCarveth 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your previous comment was a run on sentence and didn't make much sense at all.

shepherdjerred 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

your comment was a little hard to parse

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vkou 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The day Apple leaves the EU will be the day that its shareholders will string Apple's CEO up by his own entrails.

His successor will immediately reverse course.

lnxg33k1 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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mikestew 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I read your whole comment, and damned if I know what you’re trying to say. The problem does not lie with the reading comprehension of your audience.

lnxg33k1 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Don't you think that "They didn't leave the EU, and surely not leave US [if they start regulating]"?

Makes it clear?

Background sentiment, US politicians always justify not regulating due to the "fear" of corpos leaving?