| ▲ | Angostura 10 hours ago |
| Because Apple realised that phone users are interested in photos, videos, contacts, documents, appointments etc. not files |
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| ▲ | tuetuopay 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Despite others thinking you’re crazy, I think you are right. I remember the start of the smartphone era where many of my relatives switched to iPhone because "you know where the pictures are going and where to find them". The worst offender was my dad that had a Samsung phone running windows phone 6 (with an actual start menu) where you had to dig through folders to find jpeg files. |
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| ▲ | Gigachad 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Desktop OSs are the worst for mixing random system files with the users own documents. Theres a better balance now where the “Files” app has your documents, downloaded stuff and similar, while system and app data is hidden. | | |
| ▲ | pxc an hour ago | parent [-] | | Isn't that pretty much just Windows? That basically never occurs on Linux and it's not common on macOS, either. All the garbage I have on my work computer (a Mac) in ~/Documents is stuff that OneDrive synced over from when I used to have a Windows computer there. (If I could turn the OneDrive feature that takes over ~/Documents and ~/Downloads, I would.) | | |
| ▲ | SchemaLoad 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Linux software is notorious for spewing crap all over the user's home directory. Delete everything inside your /home/name and see how well the system still works. On iOS/iPadOS nothing happens other than not having the documents you saved in there. I'm not sure there even is a good place where programs can store their internal system files without requiring root other than mixed in with the user Home. |
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| ▲ | standardUser 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| But what they own is files. Most users aren't interested in mutual funds, but that doesn't mean they don't want them in their retirement portfolio. |
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| ▲ | Gud 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And files… |
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| ▲ | babypuncher 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A file system and its files are a very simple abstraction that lets us organize these exact things. I understand that some people get confused and overwhelmed by a directory structure, but I see that as an education problem, not a UX problem. I was taught all of this in elementary and middle school computer classes in the '90s and early '00s. Having this knowledge early on made me less afraid of my computer, made it feel less like a magical black box, and gave me the confidence to learn more complex topics on my own. Computers become way more capable when the people using them understand fundamentals like directory structures and command line usage. I don't think either of these things are as difficult to learn as reading, writing, and arithmetic (especially if you already have a base level education in those three things). If more "everyday people" just had a little bit more knowledge about these things, they would be able to do way more with their computers with less of a reliance on proprietary solutions that funnel them down whatever path makes someone else the most money. |
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| ▲ | 8note 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | its a UX probpem insofar as service providers will decide that since they give you a view over the file system, thats enough. i want file system access, but as a power tool. the 50 clicks through different folders is irrelevant to my most common 5 patterns of use. those should be a single click, or 0 clicks |
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| ▲ | kakacik 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One reason I'll never own an apple device, and prefer buying more expensive more open competition. Its just a red line - I own the device by law, if you bend backwards to prevent me from using it via ways that it supports by principle, your product doesn't exist for me. |
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| ▲ | vovavili 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are not Apple's target audience, and there is nothing wrong with that. |
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| ▲ | digdugdirk 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| ... This is a joke... Right? |
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| ▲ | supertrope 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | "Dad, download the PDF and then email it to me." "The file disappeared. I can't find it." "Look in the download folder." "How do I get to that?" |
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| ▲ | wkat4242 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| iOS isn't just a phone OS. |
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| ▲ | 1-more 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is. The other OSes have different names. | | |
| ▲ | iknowstuff 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Only so they could pretend that iPhones and iPadas are separate platforms under DMA | | |
| ▲ | Marsymars 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I generally agree that iOS/iPadOS aren't two different operating systems, but "iPadOS" predates the DMA. | | |
| ▲ | giobox 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Barely... the iPadOS brand was introduced in 2019, the European Commission proposed the DMA in 2020, and even prior to this there were obvious noises being made in Europe with regards to future regulation. Maybe its coincidence, but the timing still lines up for this being a response to the threat of EU changes. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 an hour ago | parent [-] | | So Apple preemptively split the names because they knew exactly how the unreleased DMA was going to affect them? |
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| ▲ | tgma 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Steve Jobs, 2007: "iPhone runs OS X" | | |
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