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eschaton 7 hours ago

Symbolics’ big fumble was thinking their CPU was their special sauce for way too long.

They showed signs that some people there understood that their development environment was it, but it obviously never fully got through to decision-makers: They had CLOE, a 386 PC deployment story in partnership with Gold Hill, but they’d have been far better served by acquiring Gold Hill and porting Genera to the 386 PC architecture.

jacquesm 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To be fair to Symbolics: a lot of companies back then thought their CPU was the secret sauce. Some still do...

anonnon 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

For those unaware, Symbolics eventually "pivoted" to DEC Alpha, a supposedly "open" architecture, which is how Genera became Open Genera, like OpenVMS. (And still, like OpenVMS, heavily proprietary.)

f1shy 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Wasn’t the “open” at the time meaning “open system” as a system that is open for external connections (aka networking) and not so much open as in “open source”?

inejge 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Wasn’t the “open” at the time meaning “open system” as a system that is open for external connections (aka networking) and not so much open as in “open source”?

Networking was the initial impetus, but the phrase came to include programming interfaces, which is why POSIX was considered such a big deal. The idea was to promote interoperability and portability, as oposed to manufacturer-specific islands like those from IBM and DEC.

pjmlp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, it meant industry standards, instead of proprietary ones, that is why POSIX, Motif, and others are under The Open Group.

anonnon 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I was both Alpha being quasi-open itself, like OpenPOWER today, and like earlier PDP minis had been, whereas VAX had been pretty locked down, and OpenVMS getting POSIX compatibility (admittedly probably more the latter than the former, but DEC was big on branding things "open" at the time, partly because they were losing ground):

https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/decus/vmslt05a/vu/alpha_hist...

> Although Alpha was declared an "open architecture" right from the start, there was no consortium to develop it. All R&D actions were handled by DEC itself, and sometimes in cooperation with Mitsubishi. In fact, though the architecture was free de jure, most important hardware designs of it were pretty much closed de facto, and had to be paid-licensed (if possible at all). So, it wasn't that thing helping to promote the architecture. To mention, soon after introduction of EV4, DEC's high management offered to license manufacturing rights to Intel, Motorola, NEC, and Texas Instruments. But all these companies were involved in different projects and were of very little to no interest in EV4, so they refused. Perhaps, the conditions could be also unacceptable, or something else. Mistake #5.

larsbrinkhoff 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, but also. OpenGenera was ported to x86 some time ago.

v9v 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I believe it's even been ported to the M1 a few years ago: https://x.com/gmpalter/status/1361855786603929601

varjag 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Kinda sad seeing those follow-up tweets about licensing issues years later.