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londons_explore 8 hours ago

The only fix to this is to replace phone numbers by secret 256 bit keys that are never reused...

Never gonna happen.

nicce 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

WhatsApp has avoided the pressure of E2EE backdoors and whatever politics because they were never needed.

1. They collect all the metadata in unencrypted format and link it to phone numbers, making a huge social graph.

2. Backups are not encrypted by default and enabling of them is pushed. So the messages were never actually encrypted for most people and police can get messages without the actual phone.

3. iCloud E2EE backup fight in UK was mostly because of 2. as people started to opt-in for encryption.

gruez 5 hours ago | parent [-]

>3. iCloud E2EE backup fight in UK was mostly because of 2. as people started to opt-in for encryption.

That doesn't make any sense. Why did uk want to start a fight over icloud E2EE backups (opt-in) but not whatsapp E2EE backups (opt-in)?

nicce 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> That doesn't make any sense. Why did uk want to start a fight over icloud E2EE backups (opt-in) but not whatsapp E2EE backups (opt-in)?

Default iCloud backup always included WhatsApp too, even if it was disabled in the app or the app used encrypted backups. And many other things, so it was not only about WhatsApp. Even for WhatsApp alone, it was slightly more useful.

Sophira 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Phone numbers were never supposed to be secret.

Nor were social security numbers.

hdgvhicv 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We used to put phone numbers and addresses in printed books and give them to everyone.

hsbauauvhabzb 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Phone numbers are treated as permanent even though they’re ephemeral. So here we are.

tamimio 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s not gonna happen because the whole idea is to link your real identity to the digital one, which is why you should never trust any company that refuses to give you an alternative option to the phone number.

jojobas 6 hours ago | parent [-]

But it's to combat spam, we swear! Because of course there is no spam in whatsapp!