| ▲ | AuthAuth 8 hours ago |
| This is bad. New user going onto an arch distro with a ton of tweaks is worst case scenario for a smooth experience. I'm sure cachyOS will work a treat out of the box, but i'm also sure that one day things will stop working and cascade into a distro hop or reinstall leaving a sour taste in the users mouth. You do not need a "gaming" distro, all distros use the same software and you will be fine on ubuntu, fedora etc. |
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| ▲ | WD-42 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| If you want to game, then picking a "gaming distro" probably is the right choice. Sure, you could use Fedora. But you need to know about enabling RPM Fusion, 32 bit repos for steam, etc. Now THAT is how you get someone to give up. |
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| ▲ | cwillu 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's two checkboxes in the gui to enable RPM Fusion, and then you click “Steam”. It's not that hard. | | |
| ▲ | WD-42 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So easy it requires a 140 lines of howto: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/rpmfusion-se... It's easy for us. It's not clear how someone coming from windows would even know that they had to do this, much less do it. | | |
| ▲ | AuthAuth 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is part of the installer now. New users will select this when setting the distro up | | |
| ▲ | WD-42 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That is amazing news! My biggest gripe with Fedora has always been that it is recommended to new users and then 80% of the time they have an Nvidia card and you end up with "Linux sucks if you use Nvidia" even though the official drivers work well if you install them correctly (i.e using your distro-provided method, not going to nvidia.com and downloading a file which is what most people coming from Windows will do). | | |
| ▲ | ndiddy 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've used the official nVidia drivers, they definitely don't work well compared to AMD/Intel on Linux. They're usable and more or less stable, but on my computer I was seeing stuff like window contents freezing, graphics stuttering, screen tearing on video playback, the mouse cursor lagging when there was high CPU usage, etc. and it all went away when I switched to an AMD card. Everyone I've talked to has has the same experience: weird performance hiccups or glitches that go away as soon as you stop using nVidia. |
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| ▲ | sockbot 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Itemized bill: Chalk mark $1 Knowing where to put it $999 |
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| ▲ | Root_Denied 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | NobaraOS is Fedora based and has solved a lot of these issues. They have a separate ISO to use if you have an Nvidia card that will handle all the akmods drivers for you for example. | | |
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| ▲ | p1necone 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Partially agree. If you're only using your PC to play Steam games and absolutely nothing else, especially if you want it to auto boot into Steams big picture ui and behave like a dedicated gaming console something like Bazzite is ideal. But if you're using your PC like a PC and also doing other stuff imo it's better to install a 'regular' distro like Fedora or Ubuntu. I haven't had any difficulty installing steam and playing games on either of those. |
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| ▲ | vondur 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think something like Bazzite would be great for those wanting to game. The fact that it's going to be hard to break the system and just letting updates be applied automatically will make it more like a console than a PC in that regard. I also assume that switching to the desktop mode is not difficult. I just started using Fedora Bluefin last year, and I've been really happy with it and it's architecture is the same as Bazzite, but for devlopers. | | |
| ▲ | Lord-Jobo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I found it incredibly stupidly easy to break bazzite trying to change something relatively simple that isn’t even a required step most of the time (automatically mount my second internal ssd). Copy and pasted some change in some file, save, restart, fully totally bricked. |
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| ▲ | kevinfiol 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Agreed. I'm surprised by the amount of Linux newcomers being directed toward these weird, specialized derivatives that have existed >2 years. |
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| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s almost certainly driven by a desire for everything to work as expected out of the box. Speciality derivatives come with attention to detail and purpose-fitting that often isn’t found in general purpose distros, like how Nobara has a system to auto-apply fixes for common problems or how Bazzite includes an overlay for game stats (framerate, etc). Rolling and bleeding edge distros have been popular because people want to use the latest hardware. Can you get these things with a general purpose distro with older kernels? Sure, but the process varies depending on distro, hardware, use case, etc and isn’t necessarily accessible to many, even with the selection bias towards a technical mindset that comes with wanting to switch to Linux. It’s the same reason why Windows has been popular for so long and why Valve has seen outsized success with Linux: the fiddly bits have been minimized. Major distros could pull in many of these users by sinking resources into that golden “out of the box” experience and aggressive hunting down and fixing of papercuts. | | |
| ▲ | johnny22 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | i don't have a problem recommending people use bazzite because of the nature of the whole system. It makes it harder for regular users to break it, while making it easy(er) to rollback. | |
| ▲ | beeflet 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | okay but this should just be upstreamed into a real distro, we don't need 1000 distros that are all reimplementing the same thing | | |
| ▲ | p1necone 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Things that are basic table stakes for PC gamers are unnecessary edge cases or outright seen as negatives by the average Gnome or Wayland maintainer. | | |
| ▲ | lelanthran 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Things that are basic table stakes for PC gamers are unnecessary edge cases or outright seen as negatives by the average Gnome or Wayland maintainer. What do you mean "PC Gamers"? It's not limited to PC Gamers. The CAD program I use for PCB layout won't run with full functionality under Wayland because "The Developers Know Best". So, having to choose between Wayland or delivering PCBs, guess what my choice was. Gnome and Wayland are really user-hostile - if their vision doesn't align with what the majority of users want, its the users that are wrong, not the developers. | | |
| ▲ | wincy an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I remember what got me to reinstall Windows after running Ubuntu for a week or two several years ago was they switched from Xorg to Wayland and I literally couldn’t watch movies because they switched over without Wayland supporting this? It was absolutely bonkers to me and soured me from Linux for years. I’ve administered thousands of Linux boxes but it’s a totally different ball game. | |
| ▲ | AuthAuth 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Its JUST gnome thats blocking that protocol. |
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| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There’s merit to that idea, but upstreaming is easier said than done. There’s a whole gauntlet of politics and bikeshedding to get past among other issues, which is why these things are separate distros in the first place. | |
| ▲ | WD-42 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Bazzite provides a Steam-OS gaming-centric interface out of the box. How are you going to upstream that? You think Debian stable is going to agree all of a sudden provide it's users a gaming console UI? | | |
| ▲ | theevilsharpie 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Debian -- probably not, but Ubuntu has numerous variants whose primary purpose is providing a different desktop experience, and a SteamOS-like variant would fit in perfectly with that. | |
| ▲ | saint_yossarian 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Isn't that just Steam's Big Picture mode? | | |
| ▲ | __aru 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's an entire login session, steam game mode runs BPM via the game scope compositor, no desktop is loaded in the background, etc. The Steam client also enables hardware controls not available in traditional BPM. You can look up gamescope-session for more info. Its something that I generally wouldn't expect on traditional mainstream distros. |
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| ▲ | HumanOstrich 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They don't keep separate packages for fun. Many of the changes would not be accepted to an upstream.[1] That's usually why the derived distro exists in the first place. Imagine arguing that Ubuntu should just be upstreamed into Debian. [1]: https://wiki.cachyos.org/cachyos_basic/why_cachyos/ | |
| ▲ | DaSHacka 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ideally, this would be the best solution, but what happens when the upstream distro packagers disagree with the vision of one of these downstream distro maintainers? |
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| ▲ | brendyn 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | To me, I find it a bit frustrating that Arch linux routinely has "manual intervention required" problems every single year where the intervention is just a single command that pacman could have just ran themselves if they so desired. Sometimes, they get a new developer and you have to manually install their keys first otherwise packages fail authentication. What can you do in the face of that except conclude they don't want things to "just work" and create a derivative in the hopes of making things just work. |
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| ▲ | skirmish 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I tried to install CachyOS with KDE on my wife's new laptop (Lenovo Yoga) about 3 weeks ago. The version available was 2025-08-28 (still is, just checked), and it was crashing KDE all the time. Quick research told me that version had lots of KDE bugs that have been since fixed, yet no new release. Maybe it's different on Nvidia (wife's laptop had AMD graphics), but I expect a very bumpy road ahead of him. |
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| ▲ | spectralista 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I absolute love KDE Plasma but I finally gave up for Mint Cinnamon LTS. It has just been rock solid on any machine I have tried. KDE I was just always running into some kind of minor problem or something wouldn't work. I have dolphin and konsole installed and open right now so once you get use to Cinnamon, it isn't really that much different but so rock solid with Mint. | |
| ▲ | HumanOstrich 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most of the updates to CachyOS are delivered via packages. You don't need an entirely new version of the distro image that often. | | |
| ▲ | skirmish 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Right, I wanted to add that the journalist will be fine if they immediately update all packages but OTOH this is not what Windows users usually do. |
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| ▲ | galleywest200 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is it bad? SteamOS is an Arch based and extremely user friendly gaming-focused distro. |
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| ▲ | charlie-83 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | If all you want to do is play steam games then I'm sure steamOS is going to be the best experience possible. If you want to use it as a regular PC it probably works reasonably well but a user who doesn't want to use the terminal is more likely to run into a brick wall at some point (e.g. connecting to a printer or something). Something like Linux Mint is going to give an overall friendlier experience for someone new to Linux even if running steam games on it is slightly less friendly. | | |
| ▲ | pelotron 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ironically connecting a new Brother printer was the most painless thing I've ever done on Linux, because I didn't do anything at all. Linux saw it appear on the network and it just worked. | | |
| ▲ | Ferret7446 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | New printers implement the print server themselves, which I assume is why CUPS driver support is being deprecated. Basically, they're all HTTP* servers so no driver/etc support is needed. |
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| ▲ | Jigsy 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I concur. I use Linux Mint and I have no problems with gaming. |
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| ▲ | kachapopopow 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| actually I am running the most fk'ed up system you can find (two gpus from different vendors, dedicated usb pcie card, highly customized kde slapped on top of catchyos) and I haven't had any issues, way less issues than kde neon. |
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| ▲ | reisse 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| New user choosing operating system has most likely just bought a new laptop or PC. Especially for laptops, Arch (or anything rolling with latest kernel) _is_ the best choice, because of drivers. |
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| ▲ | oompydoompy74 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s immutable, so if something goes bad it will just rollback. SteamOS, Bazzite, and others also work in a similar manner. I run several Bazzite boxes for gaming and they are nigh impossible to brick. |
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| ▲ | s1mplicissimus 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I've stopped recommending ubuntu for beginners by default, as the now only-wayland mode is beyond the level I can support |