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seemaze 8 hours ago

>So if anything goes wrong in my install, it’ll be a lot of forum-hopping and Discord searching to figure it all out

This is not inaccurate, however every time I've had to interface with either Microsoft or Adobe issues, both the professional and community support have been abysmal. Both community forums seem to incentivize engagement to the point where every response is 3+ hyperlinks deep to someone else's vaguely related post.

Maybe the linux forums self select for independent problem solvers..

ronsor 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Community forums/support from big companies like Microsoft and Adobe tend to be completely useless. In most cases, all threads follow the same flow:

* Question with reasonable amount of detail.

* A reply from some "Community Helper" (Rank: Gold): "did you try reading the help files?"

* Another person with a "Staff" badge: "this isn't our department"

[Thread closed.]

xmprt 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Or

* Helper: This is a great suggestion which I'll flag for the team to add support (5 years ago)

egypturnash 6 hours ago | parent [-]

For what it’s worth the people who made that sort of post are probably vaguely annoyed at the lack of progress on this change, or on other ones on their own particular list of requests that have been moldering for half a decade while everyone spends three dev cycles adding half-assed AI bullshit features.

ACCount37 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At least it's not Qualcomm support forums.

"Talk to the sales about this functionality. [Thread closed]"

marcosdumay 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I have some respect for the Oracle's honesty in putting stuff like "this bug can't be solved in the cheapest version of the software, buy the upgrade package X if you need it fixed" right on the forum.

jm4 6 hours ago | parent [-]

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with this. Every enterprise OSS company operates like that. People paying for support and funding the project get to make requests. Anyone else can submit a PR or be happy with the free software. It’s a pretty good deal if you ask me.

Granted, Oracle charges a lot just to even use the software, but I still don’t think it’s unreasonable to limit certain types of requests for higher paying customers. Pay base price and you get to use the software, get updates and call tech support. Pay a premium and they prioritize bug fixes and features for you.

marcosdumay 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The "no guarantee of fitness for a purpose" people put on the terms of software they sell is bullshit. There is something wrong with selling software with some functionality and then requiring customers to buy other pieces of software to make that functionality work.

That said, yes, they still handle that bit better than most large companies.

robotnikman 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hah, this gave me a good laugh. There have been countless times where I have ran into this exact kind of situation, and it's not just limited to Microsoft and Adobe.

seemaze 7 hours ago | parent [-]

This is true, I chose to pick on MS and Adobe because the article closes with the admission that the author has backup Windows machines to run Adobe Creative Cloud in the 'inevitable' event that Linux has a problem.

For myself, those issues have been largely evitable; I think my longest current uptime on a running linux install is approaching 5 years..

2muchcoffeeman 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many OpenSource forums and software are like this. None of the help is there to help you use the system. It’s there for you to gain some deep knowledge that you don’t care about.

But I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. some Linux distro needs to adopt some hardware line and partner with them to release a known good line of computers and polish the hell out of it. Like System 76 but nicer.

Jigsy 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Or "Did you try rebooting?"

esafak 8 hours ago | parent [-]

The Microsoft Way (tm)

ElijahLynn 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nailed it.

fHr 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Lmao true.

Affric 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The worst online fora for support are for 'for profit' companies.

I had one where I was trying to get mongosh (or similar, I think they have had multiple shells) to change some print behavior I had multiple users coming in and giving me incorrect answers to a different question that was easily found in the docs and then begging me to mark the question as solved with them as the respondent and they were always written as though I was some sort of child-king that needed to be kow-towed to.

This kind of gamification of support fora incentivises responding rather than responding with correct answers.

Conversely Linux fora always have people who are at best polite and largely know their shit. They will help you hunt down the problem until the point where you hit that it's actually a firmware bug and you gain skills along the way.

seemaze 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The use of the Latin plural fora really resonates. It's like they are their own class of organism evolving in a digital terrarium.

thewebguyd 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> either Microsoft or Adobe issues

Please run sfc /scannow closes topic

Both MS and Adobe's forums are a complete joke, LLMs give better support than their respective "communities."

seemaze 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My biggest hope for LLM's was to finally be able to make sense of all the Microsoft documentation; the constant churn in product naming, different versions with varying levels of support and compatibility, the multitude of different API's to accomplish the same operation.. turns out the LLM's are just a confused as me :(

p1necone 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Every single auth related MS library/api I've tried to use has had three different doc pages saying a slightly different version of a slightly different part of what I actually need to know, and then the actual needed information being buried in a stack overflow post somewhere (and that information being slightly different again from the official MS docs).

wincy an hour ago | parent [-]

Stack overflow was wrong then somehow ChatGPT knew what I was talking about when trying to set a dotnet environment variable in azure for an array in an app service. It has to be foo__0 not foo:0 so I broke production in a very nonobvious day for a day. At some point the foo__0 gets transliterated into foo:0 apparently?

The absolute worst location for this was, of course, the Azure or dotnet documentation sites. Cmon Microsoft you make both of these products surely this is a huge use case for your customers?

bigstrat2003 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To be fair, that's an improvement over the status quo. Generally they are far more confused than me.

gerdesj 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

... and reinstall Windows is offered as the next step after sfc /scannow.

KwanEsq 7 hours ago | parent [-]

This is grossly unfair.

You've entirely omitted the `dism /cleanup-image /(scan|check|restore)-health` rain dance

gerdesj 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Blast. Soz.

I've been using Windows since v1 or perhaps 2 - we had a "CAD" workstation at school back in the day. It was a RM Nimbus with a 80186 (yes!) in it. I own a Commodore 64 from 1984ish (still have it - it now has USB).

I also recall using telnet to access the internet (gopher, WAIS etc) and being asked by my boss in 1994ish to investigate this www thing that was making waves.

I found it after a lot of navigation through menu systems. This is a discussion about the real differences by Sir TBL: https://www.w3.org/History/1992/WWW/FAQ/WAISandGopher.html

My report was: it looked pretty much the same as the rest, which shows exactly how prescient I was! To be honest, back then it was hard to tell what on earth was going on in a telnet session. At the time I could get at a sort of hyperlinked system on my telly (CEEFAX) and there were other similar systems around the world.

In hindsight, I think graphics cemented the www's dominance. I remember discovering the Mosaic browser and leaving telnet at around the time when a MS President (yes the speccied one) decided the web was not going anywhere), and thinking "fuck: that's the future".

soraminazuki 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For sure. Despite its reputation, troubleshooting is much easier on Linux than on commercial OSes. It's not even close.

BeetleB 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've set Kagi to blacklist sites like answers.microsoft.com for a reason.

SV_BubbleTime 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Both community forums seem to incentivize engagement to the point where every response is 3+ hyperlinks deep to someone else's vaguely related post.

As a total sidenote, I do wonder when exactly stack exchange/overflow saw the writing on the wall with AI coding?

I don’t need to look for Denver 069 2004 post about MQTT request response options where someone pointed him to a now 404 link, I just talked to Claude about it and we came up with a solution directly to my problem, using my code as an example.

huflungdung 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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