Espressif was just handed the whole market on a platter. Unless raspberry can significantly expand their market but I doubt it. Year of the RISK V?

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aleph_minus_one 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Unless raspberry can significantly expand their market but I doubt it. Year of the RISK V?

The RP2350 has two RISC-V cores (and two Cortex M33 cores).

	▲	MayeulC 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The ESP32-C3 also has a RISC-V core.

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fidotron 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's one of those things you need a benevolent billionaire to bootstrap which will probably never make money.

The CPU cores aren't the problem (just use Hazard3) - it's all the rest, particularly the WiFi.

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ACCount37 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I know the code for the Wi-Fi side is a blob infested mess, as usual. But by now, ESP32 has an open source MAC implementation, blob free.

So we know with certainty that it's possible to make Wi-Fi hardware work in a blob-free fashion on a production grade MCU.

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fidotron 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Right. We also know how to do code signing and deterministic builds so you could build it and ensure the code you see is what is being executed and that is what is certified.

It's just rather boring to get all the ducks in a row to do it.

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ACCount37 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Since when is any of that a requirement?

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fidotron an hour ago | parent [-]

None of it is a requirement to work on the happy path.

To work as part of a reasonably secure platform that still allows people to develop on it and responsibly sell consumer hardware based on it, yes, it's necessary.

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ACCount37 an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm a big fan of just getting it to work on the happy path. In this case, the rest of it sounds like doing extra work for no reason.

If you don't use the "happy path" builds, the choice is yours, and the consequences are your own. Simple as.

	▲	fidotron an hour ago \| parent [-]
		That tinkering attitude is the root of the problem in the Arduino ecosystem. Just do things properly - it only has to be done by the vendor anyway, and no one else needs to touch it.

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aDyslecticCrow 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are other vendors of Wifi chips. I could see Nordic seeing this being a great collaboration to further capture marketplace for IoT connectivity beyond Bluetooth.

	▲	fidotron an hour ago \| parent [-]
		The brilliance of the ESP devices is not needing anything not included on a basic dev board for a huge raft of applications. The peripheral design is positively wonky, but they do just work.