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The Boring Part of Bell Labs(elizabethvannostrand.substack.com)
101 points by AcesoUnderGlass 4 days ago | 16 comments
LPisGood 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Bell Labs’ One Year On Campus program, in which they paid new-grad employees to earn a master’s degree on the topic of Bell’s choosing

I wonder why companies don’t do this anymore. Is it something to do with the monopoly AT&T held, is it related to corporate tax structures, is it related to how easy it is to find PhD graduates who studied similar topics of interest, or is it something else entirely?

silisili 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

One common theme is that companies used to treat good employees as assets. Now they treat all employees as liabilities.

What changed? A lot. The underlying theme across all companies, to both employees and customers, has been "see how much abuse they'll take before they leave", which sadly has had marvelous results because the answer is... a lot. Notice that at least half of the largest companies by market cap have no actual support at all.

Add in that tuition has exploded, it became cheaper and quicker just to import people than to train them.

majormajor 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>I wonder why companies don’t do this anymore. Is it something to do with the monopoly AT&T held, is it related to corporate tax structures, is it related to how easy it is to find PhD graduates who studied similar topics of interest, or is it something else entirely?

Companies do a lot less to retain employees - fewer pensions, fewer accrued benefits and perks - so it's much less attractive to train when you are assuming attrition instead.

caminante 5 hours ago | parent [-]

No way...

Even guys get parental leave, now!

I know too many people that've gotten fancy EMBAs paid for by the company as retention/networking tools along with the countless others (read: majority) that don't use the annual tuition reimbursement available to all employees.

NoiseBert69 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The company I work pays normal salaries for their PhD students.

That pretty much standard in Germany in industrial research departments.

caminante 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The answer to your question seems straight-forward: they still do.

1. Companies have tuition reimbursement for general employees, but it's usually nominal at $5k/year and part-time education is implied.

2. Executive MBAs and more selective executive seminars are covered by companies so the focus will be better. These aren't cheap (easily $125k/year) and might come with early exit penalties. I'd be surprised if the Bells lab offer didn't have similar clawbacks.

3. Tuition in 1970 isn't what it is now! Wayyyy cheaper!

orochimaaru 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think companies pay for you to go do an MS or a PhD full-time on company dime. At that time AT&T was a monopoly and may have had money to burn on this. There also may not have been expectations of hyper-growth from the stock market that exist today.

AT&T still pays for various MS courses (mostly MSCS, MS data science and cybersecurity) you can do on a part-time basis. It's quite easy to get the tuition reimbursement for it.

jhbadger 6 hours ago | parent [-]

In general, nobody needs to pay someone to do a PhD, at least in a scientific or engineering field -- even in the US, the country where education generally costs the most -- typically PhD students get free tuition as well as a living stipend. Masters students, granted typically don't get this benefit -- but in the US that's typically a terminal degree -- unlike in many countries you don't do a Masters and then a PhD -- you do one or the other.

kentlyons 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is very common in Europe. PhDs are sponsored by a given company

AcesoUnderGlass 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bell Labs is best known for inventing things like the solar cell and transistor, but that's a small part of their work. Bell Labs had a whole applied division dedicated to phone company science. This article digs into the details of what it was like to work at Bell Labs, but not the Bell Labs.

retrac 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Bell System was, in modern parlance, fully vertically integrated. They didn't own the mines that the copper for the conductors was extracted from. And they didn't cast the copper ingots. Though they were interested in the metallurgy. Because they drew their own wire. And cables. And transformers. And vacuum tubes. And so on. It was all in-house. They even treated their own telephone poles. So something like a practical survey of various types of preservative treatments for wood was in the remit of Bell Labs just like the physics of a vacuum tube. Almost everything in science was in the remit when they had such a broad mandate. The Bell System had elements that almost resembled a kind of state within a state. (Part of why it was killed off -- antitrust violations.)

j2kun 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"the" Bell Labs was effectively gone by the 1970's anyway. So the Bell Labs described in this article was "the" Bell Labs

gsf_emergency_6 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That didnt stop the flow of Nobels

For work done after 1970 - optical tweezers,laser cooling, quantum hall, superres microscopy, quantum dots (NP 2023)

Not to forget Shor and Grover (1990s!)

Holmdel had the antenna of Penzias/Wilson

For me, this marked the end of Bell Labs (Murray Hill):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%B6n_scandal#Beginning_o...

Not sure what the bottleneck was: https://www.forbes.com/sites/josipamajic/2025/11/19/science-...

nrhrjrjrjtntbt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

She has some heritige there. If your near ancestors are academic it much be such a lift in terms of advice and connections. Espepecially ex Bell labs and the TV patent.

sevensor 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This honestly does not sound boring in the least. Statistical design of experiments is super interesting. You can tune your experiments to get the most useful information within your experimental budget. If you’ve ever run a physical real world experiment, you’ll understand how much time and expense is involved in doing it at a plant level. The ability to be economical here is so important!

jonxcxx 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Totally agree! DOE is way underrated. Once you’ve had to run real experiments (especially at scale), you really appreciate how much time and money a good experimental design can save. It’s one of those areas where a bit of math makes a huge practical difference.