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johnwheeler 5 hours ago

I saw the email correspondence between him and Epstein. The sense that I got is he's pursuing some young girl half his age. And he actually thinks that she is attracted to him. Powerful, ugly men are so stupid sometimes.

pton_xd 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's a charitable take. It was them joking about how to leverage his power to pressure her into a relationship. Also the woman's dad is the founding president of some major Chinese bank (AIIB) that he was cozying up to.

Also a reminder, he was texting with Epstein up until the day before his arrest in 2019. Well past the point where Epstein was basically a meme for child abuse. Absolutely horrifying.

perihelions 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> "It was them joking about how to leverage his power to pressure her into a relationship"

Supporting background:

> "Summers went on to describe what he saw as his “best shot”: that the woman finds him “invaluable and interesting” and concludes “she can’t have it without romance / sex.”

> "Throughout June, Summers fed Epstein updates about the woman’s workload and continued contact. Epstein urged him to play the “long game” and keep her in what he called a “forced holding pattern.”"

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/11/17/summers-epstei...

simianwords 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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jcranmer 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Hi, would you like to sleep with me? If you say no, I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure you're unable to get a job in the field you want to pursue." And to be clear here, for most of these sex pests, that is not an idle threat.

There's a reason it's considered morally and ethically heinous to demand sexual favors with people whom you have power over, and if you can't understand why it's so heinous, then you do not deserve to have power over anybody.

runako 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He consulted with the most notorious child sex trafficker of modern times on his plan to use the power of his position to coerce a young woman into sex.

In those consultations, he used a racial slur to refer to the young woman.

There are other contrary positions you can take, it doesn't have to be that this was okay.

foobarian 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe not a bad thing for another reason: assuming most powerful men are up to these kinds of shenanigans, this filters out for those who are not clever enough to keep it under wraps. Sounds like a useful job skill for the positions these kinds of people might need to handle.

KerrAvon 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Powerful men/women don't have to be sexually or in other ways abusive to subordinates. They really don't. Most of them, in fact, don't. You certainly hear about the ones who do, for a reason.

foobarian 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I hope so. I'm just having a particularly cynical day.

giraffe_lady 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When you got up this morning did you know that this is the fight you would be taking up today? It's not too late man just delete it and go back to bed, try a fresh start.

simianwords 5 hours ago | parent [-]

What specific part of what Larry said in the emails was so egregious that he needed to resign? What’s wrong in simply asking people advice to sleep around?

piva00 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Simply asking, at that point, a well known human trafficker for advice on how to leverage his power to sleep around.

You have no issue with that?

pinnochio 4 hours ago | parent [-]

This dude is an AI goon. There's a lot he doesn't have an issue with!

simianwords 4 hours ago | parent [-]

what do you mean?

KerrAvon 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nope. Read the emails before discussing, please.

simianwords 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I read the relevant parts. What was so bad?

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delusional 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Reading about the case, you get the sense that this is the general disposition from these abusers. They know what they're doing is wrong, and they understand the power imbalance, but they sort of excuse it and justify it by softly believing that the women actually want them. That they are actually sexy. And that they are helping the women, somehow.

It's quite disgusting, but also totally believable. Importantly, the soft explanations don't excuse the behavior.