Programming without IDE in 21st century is like making fire with stones and wood sticks.

A required skill for survival in the woods, not something to do daily.

This point of view applies to any programming language.

By the way you use two languages as example, that are decades behind Lisp regarding GC technology and native code generation.

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jjnoakes 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I view code in many contexts though - diffs in emails, code snippets on web pages, in github's web UI, there are countless ways in which I need to read a piece of code outside of my preferred editor. And it is nicer, in my opinion, to read languages that have visually distinct parts to them. I'm sure it is because I'm used to it, but it really makes it hard to switch to a language that looks so uniform and requires additional tools outside of my brain to take a look at it.

	▲	noosphr 8 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Sounds like you need to move to emacs so you can do all of that in one place, with a nice s-expression editor to boot. This comment was written in emacs.