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squillion 10 hours ago

Let's not forget that time he advocated for dumping toxic waste in poor countries.

"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summers_memo

llbbdd 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've never seen this before but I'm surprised anyone ever thought in good faith it wasn't tongue-in-cheek. I think one would have to have a cartoon-villain-tears-down-orphanage-to-build-mall view of how people work to not read the dripping tone in this memo.

sapphicsnail 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He was literally part of a ring of rich and powerful pedophiles who trafficked underage women.

llbbdd 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Evil people can make jokes too, and mimicking the formal tone of an official document is a bit as old as time.

jonny_eh 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not really in a charitable mood with this guy right now.

naIak 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"I know I'm wrong, but still I have to double down on this to save face"

sapphicsnail 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's certainly a possibility but I also wouldn't put it past him to advocate for something that evil.

throwthrowrow 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I read the memo. Maybe just me, but I don't see any indication that it was tongue in cheek.

erikpukinskis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What’s the joke?

squillion 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd only entertain the possibility that it was tongue-in-cheek if it came from someone critical of the World Bank and laissez-faire economics in general, for instance Joseph Stiglitz, who has also been chief economist at the World Bank and was critical of it. But if you're fine with structural adjustment – which many see as basically tear-down-orphanage-to-build-mall – you don't get to make that kind of jokes. It's too close to home.

hyperman1 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wow. That text is wild! Another excerpt:

  I've always thought that under-populated countries in Africa are vastly UNDER-polluted, their air quality is probably vastly inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles or Mexico City.
recursive 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The /s was supposed to be implied.

datatrashfire an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Would you accept 0 pollution if it meant you had no electricity, electronic devices, or access to transportation? All of those things create pollution.

ben_w 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That's the great thing about "invention", there are other ways to 0 pollution besides historic ones.

Worse than that, actually: to get to 0 pollution by only deleting things, you'd also need to remove one of the main sources of pollution in third world countries: cooking with fire.

Invention has already given us renewable electricity, and using that to cook is much better than inhaling wood smoke.

estimator7292 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hey, you probably don't want to sympathize with a guy that everyone around you thinks is irredeemably evil.

And if you do still want to sympathize with such, maybe examine that motivation for like three seconds.

Dracophoenix 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Bad people can still have good ideas or well-thought arguments. It's common enough to be a meme.

https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-kno...

defrost 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

A good many people I know and have known for 60+ years would, do, and yearn for civilisation as you know it to back the f off and get its foot from their neck.

Yes, they are fully awar of what that means and they have lived without electricity, devices, and transport.

Embrace of bleeding edge tech isn't universal, hell even the embrace of the past 100 years of tech isn't for every human.

rhcom2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And Jonathan Swift was actually advocating eating children.

jonny_eh 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Jonathan Swift was a writer and known satirist with publicly known views that were opposite to the absurdist views expressed in his famous satire.

palmotea 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> And Jonathan Swift was actually advocating eating children.

If you're going to engage in satire, its best the satire be obvious.

I believe there are capitalist economist types who believe what Summers wrote unironically.

rhcom2 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also known as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

mwcremer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry, did you mean "Summers unironically wrote" or "capitalist economist types unironically believe" ?

abigail95 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is dumber than "Helicopter Ben" Bernanke.

burkaman 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He also famously gave a speech declaring that one of the reasons women were underrepresented in science and engineering faculty positions was "issues of intrinsic aptitude". - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/science-jan-june05-summ...

It was 20 years ago but he has not changed his views, in one of his emails to Epstein (in 2017) he "observed that half the IQ in world was possessed by women without mentioning they are more than 51 percent of population..."

tptacek 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Most notable about that is the implied confession that he was lying in his original formulation, which was that there was more variability in male intelligence than female intelligence (higher highs, lower lows). In fact, his private undisclosed belief was simply that women were inferior.

ben_w 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

I remember hearing about the variance thing ages ago. Back when I was young enough and naïve enough to trust statements said in official voices without critically assessing them.

With the caveat that IQ tests scores are now provably something one can learn to be good at (because LLMs do much better on public tests than private ones), was the claim about variably actually justified at the time, or was it nonsense even back then?

tptacek 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm not touching the variability thing with a 10 foot pole except to say that the further out on each extreme of the IQ "scale" you go the less reliable the scores are. The whole idea of using IQ as a ranking of ability rather than a diagnostic tools is bogus. I do think it's clear now though that Summers was simply being a misogynist (you lose the presumption of good faith when you disclose that you'd been lying all along.)

watwut 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I remember brouhaha a whole bunch of pundits and thinkers defending him against evil feminists. On the grounds of intelectual curiosity and rational thinking.

Hey, turns out the dude trades "how to flirt with women in workplace whem they do presentation" advice with literal child abuse sex ring leader.

Surely he could not possibly be sexist, nah.

shkkmo 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To me that memo is pretty clearly a sacarstic version of reductio ad absurdum.