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tharne 4 hours ago

> The problem becomes that eventually all these people who are laid off are not going to find new roles.

> Who is going to be buying the products and services if no-one has money to throw around?

I've wondered about this myself. People keep talking about the trades as a good path in the post-AI world, but I just don't see it. If huge swaths of office workers are suddenly and permanently unemployed, who's going to be hiring all these tradesmen?

If I were unemployed long-term, the one upside is that I would suddenly have the time to a do a lot of the home repairs that I've been hiring contractors to take care of.

The other thing I worry about is the level of violence we're likely to see if a significant chunk of the population is made permanently unemployed. People bring up Universal Basic Income as a potential, but I think that only address a part of the issue. Despite the bluster and complaints you might hear at the office, most want to have the opportunity to earn a living; they want to feel like they're useful to their fellow man and woman. I worry about a world in which large numbers of young people are looking at a future with no job prospects and no real place for them other than to be made comfortable by government money and consumer goods. To me that seems like the perfect recruiting ground for all manner of extremist organizations.

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> If huge swaths of office workers are suddenly and permanently unemployed, who's going to be hiring all these tradesmen?

"Professionals were 57.8 percent of the total workforce in 2023, with 93 million people working across a wide variety of occupations" [1]. A reasonable worst-case scenario leaves about half of the workforce intact as is. We'd have to assume AI creates zero new jobs or industries, and that none of these people can pivot into doing anything socially useful, to expect them to be rendered unemployable.

> if a significant chunk of the population is made permanently unemployed

They won't. They never have. We'd have years to debate this in the form of unemployment insurance extensions.

[1] https://www.dpeaflcio.org/factsheets/the-professional-and-te...

johnnyanmac 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>We'd have to assume AI creates zero new jobs or industries

Zero American jobs, sure. It's clear that these american industries don't want to invest in America.

>They won't. They never have.

not permanent, but trends don't look good. It doesnt' remain permanent because mass unemployment becomes a huge political issue at some point. As is it now among Gen Z who's completely pivoted in the course of a year.

DenisM 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I heard Spain has 20% unemployment among the young and the violence problem did not happen. Didn’t check it though.

janalsncm 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

UBI correctly identifies the problem (people can’t afford housing/clothing/food without money) but is an inefficient solution imo. If we want people to have those things, we should simply give them to them.

JoshTriplett 3 hours ago | parent [-]

How much of them, which ones, to who, at what price, who is forced to provide them, how much do they get, what about other needs...

Or we could just give people money and let them do as they wish with it, and trade off between their needs and wants as they see fit (including the decision of whether they want to work to obtain more of their wants).

janalsncm an hour ago | parent [-]

How much money should everyone get?

Dylan16807 an hour ago | parent [-]

If the plan was to give people the full set of housing/clothing/food then use the poverty line calculation for amount of money. Or the social security calculation.

We can iterate on the exact amount. There are difficulties with UBI but figuring out the amount is a pretty minor one.

Bilal_io 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The other thing I worry about is the level of violence we're likely to see if a significant chunk of the population is made permanently unemployed.

No worries, they'll just make AI robots to shoot people.