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layer8 7 hours ago

He’s also receiving €1 million as a one-time compensation. Not quite enough to retire on that.

simonw 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Here's more information on that: https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/11/the-future-is-ours-to-...

> For our team, a vital aspect of getting this restructuring right was making sure that Eugen was compensated fairly for Mastodon’s brand trademark, assets, and the 10 years he spent building Mastodon into what it is today (while taking less than a fair market salary). Based on replacement costs, Eugen’s time and effort, and the fair market value of the Mastodon brand, its associated properties, and the social network, we settled on a one-time compensation of EUR 1M.

layer8 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Was already linked here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45971902

edm0nd 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Still enough to have a good lil nest egg that generates okay-ish passive income if invested correctly.

@ 4% that's €40k/year

more than what most regular people have

kjkjadksj 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Does he not have to pay taxes on that 1m euros in the eu?

cntlzw 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Absolutely. That is either "Teileinkünfteverfahren" (60% of 1 Million EUR are taxed, 40% are tax-exempt) or "Abgeltungssteuer" (Government takes a 25% cut). Fun fact: there is no tax on winning the lottery in Germany!

batisteo 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Loto is well-known (in France) as the poors' taxes

rmoriz 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Only if you lose (not win) :) (irrelevant side node: poker is treated as skill based game in Germany, hence you have to pay taxes on wins)

vjerancrnjak 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some countries have 0 rate if sold after x years. Although many had it in the past, they’ve started eliminating it.

torginus 5 hours ago | parent [-]

And some countries have the opposite - they tax your invested gains as if you turned them to cash

FuriouslyAdrift 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I guess top rate in Germany is 45%

fhd2 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If you live in the west, 47.5% even. But that's income tax, whether that applies here depends on how it's structured.

mk89 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure he does. He lives in Germany. They are gonna rip that 1 million apart.

zwnow 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You pretty much pay taxes on everything in the EU. In Germany there are ways you can reduce the total tax you have to pay and as far as I know you wont have to pay social security contributions on that. It'll still be 6 digit tax amount.

stevage 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're assuming zero savings to begin with, which is a weird assumption.

pcthrowaway 5 hours ago | parent [-]

His salary from Mastadon annual reports 2021-2023 were 28,800, then 36,000, then 60,000 euros annually (reports for 2024 and 2025 are not released yet), so unless he had side gigs or deals, I wouldn't expect he has a ton of savings at the moment. Glad he is getting a decent payout with his exit, though unfortunately a windfall like this in one year offers less take-home than if he was paid this over several years.

I really hope he's able to find success and better work-life balance in his future endeavours

jasonjmcghee 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It doesn't say he's retiring (afaik) - he might still have compensation

layer8 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Hence why I said it’s not enough to retire on it.

jimbokun 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is if you deliberately find a low cost of living area and control your costs.

lapcat 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you have a reference for this?

akuchling 7 hours ago | parent [-]

From https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/11/the-future-is-ours-to-...

naIak 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Damn, where is Mastodon getting €1M from?

Also where do you get from that you can't retire with €1M. It seems very feasible as long as you keep a frugal lifestyle.

geerlingguy 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> We deeply appreciate the generosity of Jeff Atwood and the Atwood Family (EUR 2.2M), Biz Stone, AltStore (EUR 260k), GCC (EUR 65k), and Craig Newmark.

> We want to thank the generous individual donors that participated in our fundraising drive. We put individual donations entirely towards Mastodon’s operations (primarily, paying our full-time employees to improve Mastodon), which totalled EUR 337k over the past 12 months (September 2024 - September 2025).

From https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/11/the-future-is-ours-to-...

BeetleB 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends on your age and where you live. If you're single, no kids, and don't need healthcare, sure.

Where I live (not expensive like SV), they recommend $90K+ to "live comfortably".

A 1 bedroom apartment is $19K/year. Insurance rates vary widely, but premium + deductible - you may want to assume $10K/year. So you're already at $30K without eating, Internet, utility bills and transportation.

I'm sure one could live off of that 1M if fairly frugal, but it's not what most people want.

markdown 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Healthcare is taken care of by his taxes.

mh- 5 hours ago | parent [-]

A quick google suggests more than a third of Germany pays for supplementary private health insurance (Zusatzversicherung) in addition to what their taxes take care of.

bluGill 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Generally charitable foundations figure that you can withdraw 3% per year from your savings and never run out. Remember you have to account for not only good years, but also really bad years, so even though you can average 10% over the long term in the stock market there will be decades that you are negative. There are also bond investments that are safer, but have worse return. And inflation is always eating into your savings so if they don't grow by that much every year (on average) eventually you will run out of money.

3% of a million is only 30k per year. A frugal person can live on that little - but it will be hard. You can make more than that working at McDonald's near me, and nobody would claim that is a living wage.

Now if you want to retire you don't need your nest egg to last forever, only until you die. You can thus withdraw a bit more than 3%, but I'm not sure how much. (and you may have other pension plans to work with). Still if you withdraw 100k/year from this million you will run out of money in less than 20 years (with 12 being realistic) 100k per year is not a great income for a programmer.

jancsika 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> You can make more than that working at McDonald's near me, and nobody would claim that is a living wage.

Or he could scrimp and put four hard years towards making manager at McDonald's. If he gets it, then he can demand they match 44k a year (his passive income at that point) or he walks.

He could then try the same at Wendy's, and walk to retire on 64k a year.

Compound interest is one helluva drug!

tzs 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The hard part is housing and transportation. If you've managed to pay off your house before retiring and it and its major appliances are in good shape, and if you are someplace where you need a car you have that off too, and you can find a place where property taxes aren't too bad living on $30k/year is actually quite reasonable if you don't have expensive hobbies.

(I'm going to assume that we actually withdraw slightly more than 3% to cover taxes, so that we are getting $30k/year after taxes).

I'm in the Puget Sound area of Washington with a paid off house and until a few months ago a paid off car. My new car is financed for a few months while I wait for some CDs to mature which I will use to pay it off. In the following I'm going to treat it as paid off.

The expenses that arise every month (e.g. food/groceries, some insurance premiums, utilities, prescriptions and OTC health stuff) plus the expenses that are yearly or half-yearly (e.g. some insurance premiums, property taxes) converted to monthly comes to a little under $2000/month.

A new Mac every 5 years, an iPad every 5 years, an iPhone every 4, an Apple Watch every 4, and a new car every 10 works out to be equivalent to around $350/month.

That leaves $1800/year out of our $30k/year, which can cover the occasional need to repair or replace a major appliance.

I do have fairly low property taxes thanks to a pretty good senior discount that Washington provides, but Washington is also a high property tax state. If we pick a low property tax state there are a few were someone without a discount would be paying about $800/month more than I'm paying for a comparable house. In one of those states that would leave us $1000/year for the occasional appliance repair or replacement.

You may need to make sure your house is suitable for this. Mine has a well and septic system which can be expensive to fix if they break. That could require drawing down the principle. We'd probably want to pick a house on municipal water and sewage. Also pick one in a milder climate so that we aren't relying on some expensive high capacity heating and/or cooling system. That should keep heating/cooling repairs down.

We also should take another look at that 3% a year withdrawal. We don't need to never run out. We just need to not run out before we die.

We can bump our monthly withdraw up to $3000 and keep that up for around 60 years. With that we've got $7k/year for our maintenance/repairs/replacements.

Another thing we should probably look at is whether we've already done enough work or whatever else is required to qualify for our country's old age benefits someday. If we will be able to start collecting those when we are 65 for example, and we are getting our $1 million at 30, we can withdraw more now than if we have to have the $1 million get us all the way to death.

bluGill 2 hours ago | parent [-]

well and septic is cheaper than city services. However the city services are a small monthly cost while the well/septic is a big one every 20-30 years: budgeting is easier

naIak 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>You can make more than that working at McDonald's near me, and nobody would claim that is a living wage.

Hey, good for you. But 30k per year is a very good salary in European countries such as Spain, where the median salary is just a bit over half that.

plorkyeran 4 hours ago | parent [-]

30k gross, not net, so it's about equal to the median salary.

I would count moving to a significantly poorer country that you have no connections to in order to get your cost of living down a "frugal" way to stretch out your retirement fund.

veeti 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Shit Americans say...

layer8 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s not impossible to retire on that (assuming the stock market keeps going indefinitely), but you probably wouldn’t unless forced to, at his age. With €2-3M it would be less of a question.

jandrese 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends how old you are how much you already have saved. If you still have a mortgage payment it's probably not going to make it. If he fully owns a farm out in the woods somewhere where you don't have to buy health insurance it might be possible. Taxes are probably the biggest worry, inflation the next.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why is retiring mentioned? Most jobs pay zero when you leave so 1M is cool.

layer8 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He was the founder and head of the company, so probably wouldn’t have had to step down if he didn’t want to.

bluGill 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because that is the common thing someone will do when they get what looks like a large sum of money. It isn't the only option, but it is a common one.

lrvick 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

€1M would not even cover the property tax to retire in the cheapest bay area home.

mminer237 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Uh, that's one of the most expensive places to live in the world. That's kind of the opposite of frugal. It's very doable in most of the US, as that's almost double what most retired people have, let alone the rest of the world.

bluGill 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Retired people generally are a lot older and get income from things like Social Security. They also get medicare taking care of health insurance. Between those two you need a lot more money to retire before you turn 65 vs after.

Now I believe he is in Europe so different rules apply, but they have similar things there). I don't know the rules in his country (or even his country), some are more friendly than others, but still the money won't go as far when you retire before the system wants you to.

Barrin92 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

thankfully nobody's forced to live in the Bay Area. With a million in the bank you could live off the interest in Portugal or an even cheaper city in Asia without touching the principal. Frankly on 40k you can even live here in Germany comfortably where Eugen hails from too.