Yuuuuup.

We once had a cloudflare outage. My CEO asked "mitigate it" I hit him back with, okay, but that'll take me weeks/months potentially, since we're tiny, do you really want to take away that many resources just to mitigate a once every few years half the internet is down issue?

He got it really quickly.

I did mitigate certain issues that were just too common not to, but when it comes to this sort of thing, you gotta ask "is it worth it"

Edit: If you're so small, cloudflare isn't needed, then you don't care if you go down if half the internet does. If you're so big that you need cloudflare, you don't wanna build that sort of feature set. The perfect problem.

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papichulo2023 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is it removing cf as the middleman temporally such a big deal?

	▲	nijave 7 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I think that really depends on feature usage. You can use Argo/Cloudflare tunnels to route to private backends that are normally unroutable. In such a setup, it might be quite difficult to remove Cloudflare since then you have no edge network and no ability to reach your servers without another proxy/tunnel product. If you're using other features like page rules you may need to stand up additional infrastructure to handle things like URI rewrites. If you're using CDN, your backend might not be powerful enough to serve static assets without Cloudflare. If your using all of the above, you're work to temporarily disable becomes fairly complicated.
	▲	bastawhiz 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		It depends. The site is up, but now you're pumping 10x/100x the traffic. What are you scaling up? Suddenly you're not blocking bots or malicious traffic. How many spam submissions or fake sales or other kinds of abuse are you dealing with? Is the rest of your organization ready to handle that?

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otabdeveloper4 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Afaik, Cloudflare is mostly used for anonymity and privacy, not for scale.

DDoS protection is one nice side effect of privacy, but I'd imagine there are others too.

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bastawhiz 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> Cloudflare is mostly used for anonymity and privacy, not for scale

I have never heard this before. Anonymity from what? From people knowing your Hetzner ip? I don't know what you're keeping private.

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