> Fact is, most sites are better off with Cloudflare than without

Citation direly needed.

In particular I wonder: Who is that total mass of sites where you consider most being better off using cloudflare? I would be curious on what facts you base your assumption. How was the catalog of "all" procured? How are you so confident that "most" of this catalogue are better off using cf? Do you know lots of internals about how strangers (to you) run their sites? If so, mind sharing them?

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ZeroConcerns 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> total mass of sites where you consider most being better off using cloudflare?

Most. A lot of simple sites are hosted at providers that will be taken down themselves by run-of-the-mill DDOS attacks.

So, what will such providers do when confronted with that scenario? Nuke your simple site (and most likely the associated DNS hosting and email) from orbit.

Recovering from that will take several days, if not weeks, if not forever.

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s1mplicissimus 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I was hoping you could share some of the factual evidence you apparently possess to make such bold claims, alas it seems my hopes will go unfulfilled. Have a good rest of the day!

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ZeroConcerns 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Hey, s1mplicissimus, hope you are well!

Dud(ett)e, it's a message board comment, not a scientific study.

But do you really doubt that most ISPs will gladly disable your 1Gb/s home-slash-SMB connection for the rest of the month in face of an incoming 1Tb/s DDOS? Sure, they'll refund your €29,95, but... that's about it, and you should probably be happy they don't disconnect you permanently?

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s1mplicissimus 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hi ZeroConcerns, I'm doing fine, thanks, hope you too!

There's no but... - just claims you made that I dared to question just for fundamentals, which obviously you want to dodge. I won't go as far as questioning your intellectual honesty here, but I really have a hard time seeing it. So now for reals, good day

	▲	ZeroConcerns 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		OK, I admit, I'm intellectually entirely dishonest. You have a great life!

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wat10000 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have no idea. I've been running my own web site without any CDN for nearly 25 years, and I don't have any idea what my host would do if I got DDoSed, because it has never happened.

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TZubiri 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It comes down to politics, if I'm hosting a weird porn website, I'm sure my host would drop me. But since I have a run of the mill SaaS website or a landing page for a business hosted. I'm sure my host would see no point in dropping my service, if I get DDosed, my neighbours got ddosed as well similarly I'm sure. Maybe they charge me extra or rate limit the connection, idk.

In fact, I expect my host to kick weird porn websites from their servers so that I don't have any bad neighbours, we're running legitimate businesses here sir.

Maybe they'd push me into upgrading my server, as a sort of way of charging me for the increased resources, which is fine. If I'm coasting on a 7$ VPS and my host tanks a DDoS like a hero, sure, let's set up a 50-100$ dedicated server man.

In business loyalty pays and it goes both ways.

I have more than 1 hosting provider though, so I can reroute if needed, and even choose not to reroute to avoid infecting other services, isolating the ddosed asset.